The boys dive into an outside the box option at head coach. Bobby Hedrom. Is Markstrom worth a bidding war & should NJ be a part of it. Why cant the Devils find their next MB30?
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[00:01:16] Mr. Devil here, Kenny Danicole.
[00:01:18] Three times Stanley Cup champion of the New Jersey Devils.
[00:01:22] And you're listening to The Uncle Puckers from Jersey Devils Podcast with Chris, Dan, Bobby and Tony.
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[00:01:29] Let's go Devils!
[00:01:32] We're going to try and get this right this time.
[00:01:34] I have to abort an entire show because of the fucking horrible audio.
[00:01:39] Can everybody hear me?
[00:01:40] It's against the wall.
[00:01:41] Am I coming in clear?
[00:01:43] Yes.
[00:01:44] You are coming in clear.
[00:01:46] Your mouth isn't exactly matching with your words, which is kind of how the last erased
[00:01:51] episode started.
[00:01:52] What do you mean?
[00:01:53] It's a little bit like Max Headroom.
[00:01:55] That's what Bobby said in the last show.
[00:01:57] Yeah.
[00:01:58] And it's funny because Bob, you kind of look like Max Headroom.
[00:02:00] Thank you.
[00:02:01] And he sketches out sounds like...
[00:02:03] Because you have like a...
[00:02:05] Oh, isn't it an insult?
[00:02:06] You know, it's a nice...
[00:02:07] That's a absolute insult.
[00:02:09] Is it?
[00:02:10] You think Max Headroom looked bad?
[00:02:12] He just...
[00:02:13] He acted like a sketchy weirdo.
[00:02:15] I'm not saying Bob acts like him.
[00:02:17] He was just like this mannequin looking guy.
[00:02:19] He wasn't like...
[00:02:20] He was just a head.
[00:02:21] I mean, I saw him.
[00:02:22] He was a head and a bob.
[00:02:23] I don't...
[00:02:24] That's a good question.
[00:02:25] Did he...
[00:02:26] I am right here.
[00:02:27] Max Headroom had the rest of his...
[00:02:29] Where was he like Bobby?
[00:02:30] No, he was like Bobby.
[00:02:31] He had no body.
[00:02:32] No Bobby.
[00:02:33] He's like, yeah.
[00:02:34] No Bobby?
[00:02:35] Or no body?
[00:02:36] Well, you know, smooth down there.
[00:02:38] Let's put it that way.
[00:02:40] Like silk.
[00:02:41] Like a baby's bottom.
[00:02:44] So, but okay.
[00:02:45] So the audio, the video...
[00:02:46] We don't care about the video because we don't do that.
[00:02:48] But the audio is okay.
[00:02:49] It's all good.
[00:02:50] Even the video.
[00:02:51] What was that?
[00:02:52] A little delay in the video, but the audio is perfect.
[00:02:54] All right.
[00:02:55] Then that's fine.
[00:02:56] I can live with that.
[00:02:57] But how is everybody doing tonight?
[00:02:59] Doing great, man.
[00:03:01] How about you?
[00:03:02] I'm okay.
[00:03:03] I'm excited.
[00:03:04] The draft is about to start.
[00:03:05] I am super psyched for it.
[00:03:07] I hope that to the football gods that they don't fuck this up in the 60 plus years of Minnesota Vikings history,
[00:03:16] they have never drafted a quarterback in the top 10.
[00:03:20] I believe that today is the day.
[00:03:22] Even though they are picking at 11, I believe they will trade up.
[00:03:25] I believe they will get their new franchise quarterback and hopefully a Super Bowl.
[00:03:30] Wow.
[00:03:31] That's exciting.
[00:03:32] It is exciting.
[00:03:33] I love the NFL draft.
[00:03:35] It's so much better than the NHL draft.
[00:03:37] Unless you're picking the top five of the NHL draft,
[00:03:40] oh great, we drafted a guy I'm probably never going to see.
[00:03:43] If I do, it's going to be four years from now.
[00:03:45] Football tends to be all people who are going to be players.
[00:03:49] And quickly, right?
[00:03:51] Yes, it is not a...
[00:03:53] Well, most of them.
[00:03:54] I mean, yeah.
[00:03:55] It depends on if you're drafting a guy in the first, second, third.
[00:03:59] I'll even say some of the fourth round, you are expecting them to maybe not be an everyday starter,
[00:04:05] but you're expecting them to get in and play some their first year.
[00:04:09] Yeah.
[00:04:10] If you draft guys...
[00:04:11] Development time is so much less, right?
[00:04:12] Yes.
[00:04:13] It doesn't take three, four years to break in.
[00:04:16] No, these guys are playing.
[00:04:19] It's also they play...they're adults.
[00:04:21] I mean, they're 20, anywhere from with the COVID year now.
[00:04:24] Some of these quarterbacks coming out like Michael Penex, Bonix,
[00:04:27] these guys are 26, 27 years old.
[00:04:29] Yeah, they're much older than at least 18-year-olds and under sometime.
[00:04:33] I mean, some of these kids get drafted at 15, 16 years old into the NHL
[00:04:37] and they just are right, yeah, but they're still somebody's property till then.
[00:04:42] You have maybe 10 years of development before you even can get to your prime
[00:04:47] or hit your stride, which is something that devils have a lot of.
[00:04:52] Young, young guys.
[00:04:53] And I'm just watching the Carolina Islander game.
[00:04:56] And let me tell you, playoffs just suck without the devils in it.
[00:05:00] It is tough as a devils fan to get excited about the playoffs.
[00:05:06] And I just look at these matchups and it's just so fucking frustrating
[00:05:10] because he just feel like with most of these teams, you match up pretty damn well.
[00:05:14] If the team can play to potential, it's like, man, why aren't you playing these guys?
[00:05:18] You know, I'm watching one team lose to another that I think we could beat.
[00:05:22] Well, you know, I was thinking something similar to that with the Islanders.
[00:05:25] Look, the Islanders are going to lose a series and I have them losing in four.
[00:05:30] You know, if it's four or five, whatever they lost in five to Carolina last year as well.
[00:05:35] Like can you take any pride that you made the playoffs when you get bounced
[00:05:40] in the first round in four games?
[00:05:42] Like, you know, you were third place in the Metropolitan Division.
[00:05:46] Like that was a spot that should have been for the New Jersey devils.
[00:05:49] Yeah, I know you say that.
[00:05:50] It just makes me angry at the devils.
[00:05:52] Yeah, you couldn't pass these guys.
[00:05:55] Amazing.
[00:05:56] Even more so with Washington.
[00:05:58] Washington, you know, I mean, look at them play their Rangers.
[00:06:01] They're down to nothing and I'm not saying they played awful.
[00:06:04] I know they got a little come on, man, us playing our game.
[00:06:07] I know we did horrible this season with them, but and that's the frustrating
[00:06:11] thing because you just know that if they had it in them to do a much better
[00:06:15] job than what's going on right now in that series too.
[00:06:18] So.
[00:06:20] Now, Bob, you had mentioned the last time we were talking and talk a little
[00:06:25] bit about Timo Meyer now is getting surgery.
[00:06:28] Yeah.
[00:06:29] Is that what we've what you've heard?
[00:06:30] What's going on with him?
[00:06:31] He was also some form of shoulder surgery.
[00:06:34] Jesus Christ.
[00:06:35] So think what did they say?
[00:06:37] Two things with the legs, right?
[00:06:39] And then it's shoulders.
[00:06:41] Yes, two legs.
[00:06:42] Yes, two legs, which is good.
[00:06:44] Hard to be a hockey player with one.
[00:06:47] That's what I'm saying.
[00:06:48] You're not allowed to try.
[00:06:49] Yeah, it's good.
[00:06:50] I even went to an open once and there was a guy on the sled.
[00:06:53] And yeah, it was pretty interesting.
[00:06:55] I'd never let him score it off.
[00:06:56] Fuck you.
[00:06:57] I wouldn't.
[00:06:58] Who the fuck are you?
[00:06:59] You get tempted.
[00:07:00] Like once in a while, I'll go to like it.
[00:07:02] I would go to like an all ages thing with my kid and then there
[00:07:05] would be like some little four year old stuff.
[00:07:07] It's not allowed to score once or twice, but if he starts bragging,
[00:07:10] I don't care if you're for it.
[00:07:11] You're not scoring.
[00:07:12] Yeah, I'm a grown man.
[00:07:13] If they come into your home, do you just fucking knock them out
[00:07:16] of your crease?
[00:07:17] Do you like it?
[00:07:18] Sorry kid.
[00:07:19] But yeah, I mean, I got a warning at first and then they're going
[00:07:22] to get the Eddie Belfort stick between the legs if they play
[00:07:26] that game.
[00:07:27] I like it.
[00:07:28] Yeah.
[00:07:29] Hey, hockey is tough sport.
[00:07:30] You got to learn young.
[00:07:31] Right.
[00:07:32] And their parents are on the outside the glass like, oh my god,
[00:07:35] this is assault, but you know, you put your kid out here.
[00:07:38] Right.
[00:07:39] You're not responsible for what happens to your four year old
[00:07:41] when you throw his ass out here with grown men.
[00:07:43] Right.
[00:07:44] And if I let him score a goal, teach him to act like he's been
[00:07:46] here before.
[00:07:47] Okay.
[00:07:48] He doesn't need to celebrate so hard.
[00:07:49] Piss me off.
[00:07:50] Okay.
[00:07:51] I'm still, I'm still, you know, annoyed that Luongo let
[00:07:55] OVS kid score in a mini all star game.
[00:07:57] Yeah.
[00:07:58] I was close.
[00:07:59] If there's anybody, I don't like taking, you know,
[00:08:02] things out on kids about their parents, but I don't
[00:08:05] like OVS kid and I, there's no way I would let his
[00:08:08] kid score.
[00:08:09] No, zero.
[00:08:10] You know, but back to the Washington Ranger series,
[00:08:14] like I still think that Washington is going to have
[00:08:17] some life here.
[00:08:18] I think going back to Washington is, you know,
[00:08:21] the last game they played them tough.
[00:08:23] I mean, it was a three, four.
[00:08:25] I mean, they didn't give the Rangers shit and
[00:08:27] late in that game where I feel like Carolina is
[00:08:30] just rolling the calendars now.
[00:08:33] I do think watching today last I checked to, right?
[00:08:36] Yeah.
[00:08:37] And Sarokin was in and, you know, the two goals he
[00:08:39] let in were just, you know, the Islanders look like
[00:08:42] this whole first period.
[00:08:43] Us look like the devils.
[00:08:45] Bad, bad, bad defensive turnovers into a bad goal.
[00:08:48] So we talked about that before the playoff
[00:08:50] started.
[00:08:51] I think we were all in agreement, right?
[00:08:53] That regardless of what happened, like you start
[00:08:55] Sarokin for the playoffs, they didn't and they're
[00:08:57] down on two.
[00:08:58] What do you think about that?
[00:09:00] You think it wouldn't have mattered or just
[00:09:03] a run of mattered.
[00:09:04] There's a couple of things with that, you
[00:09:06] know, we can dive into Patrick Wah and him just
[00:09:09] being fucking crazy in general.
[00:09:11] But you know, you signed Sarokin this year to a
[00:09:15] huge extension.
[00:09:16] I think he's one of the highest pay goalies in
[00:09:18] the league now.
[00:09:19] I'm not sure what his number is.
[00:09:22] He didn't have a stellar Sarokin like year, but
[00:09:26] you still made the playoffs and you made it,
[00:09:28] you know, I get it.
[00:09:30] You made the playoffs on the back of Verlamov
[00:09:32] at the end, you know, Verlamov stepped in
[00:09:34] and he won you a bunch of games and he played great.
[00:09:37] But it's the playoffs and I seriously am a firm
[00:09:40] believer in, yeah, you can play with the hot
[00:09:43] hand, but it's not like Sarokin was, you know,
[00:09:46] Vitek Vanacheck, you know, he was, you know,
[00:09:49] this is your number one.
[00:09:51] And it also, I think, can fuck with a young
[00:09:54] goalie's head who just signed this big
[00:09:57] contract and we're going into the playoffs
[00:09:59] and you're playing my backup.
[00:10:01] Yeah, I think you know, you're
[00:10:03] going to be the first one to play.
[00:10:05] Yeah, I think, you know, that hot hand thing,
[00:10:08] you know, you give them maybe that playoff
[00:10:10] start, but for me, that's all it would be
[00:10:12] like your first loss.
[00:10:14] Yeah, you lose that game.
[00:10:16] Exactly.
[00:10:17] Why did they go back to him?
[00:10:19] That's my question.
[00:10:20] I kind of understand why they played
[00:10:22] Verlamov from the first game.
[00:10:24] I get it, you know, but once there was
[00:10:26] an L right, you pull him, right.
[00:10:28] You can't go down to nothing to play
[00:10:30] off and think good things are going to
[00:10:32] be in this series that you're down one
[00:10:34] nothing. The time to do it is game two.
[00:10:36] It's not like wait till we're down to
[00:10:38] nothing. I wouldn't have started the
[00:10:40] L off at all. Please win the next game
[00:10:42] so I can go back to Verlamov and game
[00:10:44] three if I win in game two.
[00:10:46] That's the message you're setting,
[00:10:48] so that's got to fuck with Seroca.
[00:10:50] And it's also a bad, you know,
[00:10:52] thing for the team.
[00:10:53] Right, and then you turn into the
[00:10:55] Devils in the second round last
[00:10:57] year. Like it was just like, you know,
[00:10:59] who are we playing? It really didn't matter,
[00:11:01] we're the one solid guy which we still
[00:11:03] need. So let's start
[00:11:05] kind of with that.
[00:11:07] I read an article in the athletic today
[00:11:09] about a couple of guys that Steve
[00:11:11] Iserman and the Detroit Red Wings
[00:11:13] are going to go heavy
[00:11:15] after. And one of them
[00:11:17] was Steven Stamkos,
[00:11:19] which I think
[00:11:21] would be a really good fit
[00:11:23] in Detroit. And if you know, the more
[00:11:25] I was thinking about it, Detroit
[00:11:27] and New Jersey really do seem to be
[00:11:29] the same trajectory.
[00:11:31] They're built very similar,
[00:11:33] they're both teams are
[00:11:35] kind of looking for the same type
[00:11:37] of players this off season,
[00:11:39] especially a number one goalie.
[00:11:41] But like I got really
[00:11:43] excited thinking, wow, maybe
[00:11:45] two, three, four years from now
[00:11:47] we're going to have like some great
[00:11:49] playoff matchups. New Jersey and
[00:11:51] Detroit which, you know, to renew that
[00:11:53] 95 rivalry but now we're in the same
[00:11:55] conference. Yeah, right.
[00:11:57] So that could be a lot of fun. But the goalie
[00:11:59] that I saw that Steve Iserman is interested
[00:12:01] in is Markstrom.
[00:12:03] Right. And, you know,
[00:12:05] this is something we didn't talk about.
[00:12:07] Like we always, when
[00:12:09] we talk about trading for guys in this, you know,
[00:12:11] yes, a lot of it is reckless speculation
[00:12:13] when we're talking about Sidney
[00:12:15] Crosby and Brady Kachuk and guys
[00:12:17] like that. But the Markstrom thing is real.
[00:12:19] We know that. We've talked about everywhere for a while.
[00:12:21] Mm-hmm.
[00:12:23] But now you're at a point where, you know,
[00:12:25] yeah, well, why don't we just trade for Markstrom?
[00:12:27] Well, because we might not be the only
[00:12:29] team trying to get Jacob Markstrom.
[00:12:31] Right. I think the competition
[00:12:33] was a little slimmer
[00:12:35] when we had the first shot at it.
[00:12:37] I don't think there would have been an issue at all
[00:12:39] if you pulled the trigger back when
[00:12:41] we should have back when, you know, like
[00:12:43] discussing everything. February and March or whatever.
[00:12:45] Yeah, there wasn't any other
[00:12:47] teams really in the mix.
[00:12:49] But I do think you are going to have
[00:12:51] quite a few teams in the mix this off season.
[00:12:53] Oh, absolutely. Even some of the playoff teams,
[00:12:55] depending on the way it goes, you know,
[00:12:57] they're going to be looking for possibly
[00:12:59] changing out their goal to them.
[00:13:01] Right. So, you know, and then it comes down to,
[00:13:03] okay, do you really want
[00:13:05] to get into a bidding war with 34-year-old
[00:13:07] Goalie
[00:13:09] with these other teams?
[00:13:11] Now, Tom Fitzgerald
[00:13:13] does seem to...
[00:13:15] The one credit I will absolutely give him is
[00:13:17] he doesn't overpay for guys.
[00:13:19] You know, most of the contracts
[00:13:21] on this team are fair and I know
[00:13:23] the blowback is going to be Andre Pallott.
[00:13:25] But
[00:13:27] if you go back to when we signed Andre Pallott,
[00:13:29] which in essence was the
[00:13:31] consolation prize to devil fans because we didn't
[00:13:33] get Johnny Goudreau. Right. Yes.
[00:13:35] And now when you look at it,
[00:13:37] Andre Pallott even as poorly
[00:13:39] as he's played these two years in New Jersey
[00:13:41] is a better fit than I think Goudreau
[00:13:43] would have been at all on this team.
[00:13:45] Sure. Sure. And he gets a lot of money.
[00:13:47] But if you
[00:13:49] go back to two years ago when he was a free
[00:13:51] agent coming off of those Tampa Bay teams
[00:13:53] and those Stanley Cup teams and what he did,
[00:13:55] you were paying for that Andre Pallott.
[00:13:57] So I'm not against
[00:13:59] the fact that we gave him that contract.
[00:14:01] It's a lot more that he hasn't lived
[00:14:03] up to it in New Jersey.
[00:14:05] But I don't think the contract is a bad
[00:14:07] contract. If Andre Pallott
[00:14:09] was putting up 70 points a year... So what would make
[00:14:11] Marks some bad contract to you?
[00:14:13] I don't think it's contract isn't bad.
[00:14:15] I'm just saying if you
[00:14:17] have your heart set on Jacob Marks' room
[00:14:19] and next thing you know, like, okay
[00:14:21] we're going to trade Alex Holt
[00:14:23] and Seegan Dahlwer
[00:14:25] and a prospect or whatever
[00:14:27] and ship them off to Calgary for Jacob
[00:14:29] Marks' room. Done. But now Detroit's offering
[00:14:31] something and you want this guy
[00:14:33] so now we up our offer and then another
[00:14:35] team pops in and next thing you know...
[00:14:37] That's what I mean, what do you think?
[00:14:39] What's the line for you? What would make this a bad deal?
[00:14:43] I mean, I would have
[00:14:45] really see what other teams are looking for
[00:14:47] like what other teams are kind of thinking
[00:14:49] about paying for them and what they're
[00:14:51] willing to trade off. I just
[00:14:53] think that
[00:14:55] you know, guys like
[00:14:57] what the hell is his name now?
[00:14:59] I can't even think of it. Soros
[00:15:01] in Nashville. He's going to cost us a lot
[00:15:03] and we know that
[00:15:05] and Marks' room we kind of felt like
[00:15:07] we can... Like I would love to know what
[00:15:09] the parameters were of the
[00:15:11] trade that they had in place
[00:15:13] back in the during the season. I know. I think about that a lot
[00:15:15] like what the fuck did we pass on?
[00:15:17] Maybe it was worse than
[00:15:19] we thought. Maybe it wasn't so crazy
[00:15:21] such a great deal. Maybe it was a crazy
[00:15:23] amount they wanted
[00:15:25] because I feel like I really want to
[00:15:27] punish Vistula every chance they
[00:15:29] get and miss it out on going
[00:15:31] making that goalie deal. But I don't know what the details were.
[00:15:33] Right.
[00:15:35] I mean, I don't know if that will ever come out
[00:15:37] but I agree with you. If it was
[00:15:39] something ridiculous, if it was Dawson Mercer
[00:15:41] Alex Holtz, you know,
[00:15:43] Graham Clark and
[00:15:45] first round pick.
[00:15:47] No, that's too much.
[00:15:49] Take Mercer away
[00:15:51] and I can live with it.
[00:15:53] But even this year... Like throw us a Hughes brother.
[00:15:55] No. Right.
[00:15:57] Or Simone Nemitz or something like that.
[00:15:59] No. But maybe you do
[00:16:01] give up Simone Nemitz
[00:16:03] for Soros
[00:16:05] or something. Another thing
[00:16:07] we talked about
[00:16:09] I mean when talking about guys like
[00:16:11] Linus Olmark or Sorokin
[00:16:13] Soros is, yeah they only have the one year
[00:16:15] in the contract but you could facilitate
[00:16:17] sign and trade with these guys
[00:16:19] so we can have them locked up when they come over.
[00:16:21] Right.
[00:16:23] The more I keep on
[00:16:25] thinking about the goal tending
[00:16:27] I just
[00:16:29] worry that Marksrum is just because
[00:16:31] you know he's that guy. I'm just worried
[00:16:33] that we're going to over pay for a guy that's
[00:16:35] 34 years old and
[00:16:37] not going to fix our problems.
[00:16:39] I think I'm reading between the lines here with you
[00:16:41] and I think you're basically coming back around
[00:16:43] to your briseois and saying
[00:16:45] listen it's just an easier way to get a goal
[00:16:47] tender who might not be a top 5
[00:16:49] but we've all kind of discussed that what we really
[00:16:51] need is a steady
[00:16:53] goal tender. We don't know if we need
[00:16:55] an absolute ace
[00:16:57] and he would be just money, right?
[00:16:59] I think we'd be giving up much. Love the idea
[00:17:01] of Lorraine Brasois. I do.
[00:17:03] No he's not.
[00:17:05] I feel like if this team can't get it together
[00:17:07] to win with him
[00:17:09] or Jake Allen and get us
[00:17:11] we can have this conversation again about
[00:17:13] whether we should have had Marksrum
[00:17:15] if we lose to him in the Stanley Cup finals
[00:17:17] and we'll be like damn that was the difference
[00:17:19] right. But the point is
[00:17:21] to get this team up playoff team
[00:17:23] and to you know be competitive
[00:17:25] into playoffs
[00:17:27] I don't think Briseois a bad choice.
[00:17:29] I don't even know if Allen's a bad choice
[00:17:31] he gave us the goal tending we needed down the stretch
[00:17:33] the rest of the team didn't do shit. So it wouldn't
[00:17:35] have helped if we had Marksrum and retrospective
[00:17:37] that's how they're going to play.
[00:17:39] That's the whole thing.
[00:17:41] And part of the reason why I like Lorraine Brasois
[00:17:43] so much in New Jersey
[00:17:45] is because Jake Allen's here. I think I said it before
[00:17:47] if it was Vitek Vanacheck
[00:17:49] backing him up no I don't want that
[00:17:51] but having that steady veteran hand back there
[00:17:53] there's nothing that's
[00:17:55] been done in the NHL that Jake Allen hasn't been through
[00:17:57] hasn't seen so you know
[00:17:59] that he's essentially
[00:18:01] another goalie coach down there for him
[00:18:03] and I think that
[00:18:05] could pay dividends this year
[00:18:07] if you have a guy like Briseois
[00:18:09] and again
[00:18:11] whatever trade chips
[00:18:13] Tom Fitzgerald has right now
[00:18:15] save them for the bottom
[00:18:17] six a good forward
[00:18:19] one guy in the top six clean up that bottom
[00:18:21] six get couple guys on the blue line
[00:18:23] whatever there's so many deficiencies
[00:18:25] one or two guys
[00:18:27] you need on this team on the blue line
[00:18:29] on the bottom six use your trade
[00:18:31] assets for that
[00:18:33] and go out and
[00:18:35] get yourself Lorraine Brasois
[00:18:37] for three or four million a year
[00:18:39] lock them up for a couple years three or four
[00:18:41] put them behind in front of Jake Allen
[00:18:43] if Jake Allen decides
[00:18:45] to retire or not resign with us after next year
[00:18:47] maybe if Brasois proves
[00:18:49] himself then you can bring Dawes up as the number two
[00:18:51] or whatever you decide
[00:18:53] to do at that point I'd be comfortable with
[00:18:55] but
[00:18:57] me yeah I'm looking at these goalies
[00:18:59] and yeah I would love to have Lienis Allmark
[00:19:01] on this team I'd love to have UC Soros
[00:19:03] on this team but I don't want to overpay
[00:19:05] the one thing you always hear about
[00:19:07] the devils is
[00:19:09] Jack Hughes has the best contract in the NHL
[00:19:11] right
[00:19:13] Nico Heger has one of the best contracts in the NHL
[00:19:15] these guys aren't getting paid Austin Matthews
[00:19:17] type money
[00:19:19] but they're producing
[00:19:21] and that's what you want
[00:19:23] you want a fair deal where you can build out
[00:19:25] a team and pay the guys that
[00:19:27] not everybody on the team can get
[00:19:29] market value if you did that you'd have
[00:19:31] three guys on your team and a goalie
[00:19:33] and everybody else would be dog shit
[00:19:35] it's a salary cap league and you have to
[00:19:37] play accordingly unless you're Vegas
[00:19:39] because then you could just cheat and do whatever
[00:19:41] fuck you want
[00:19:43] dude is this
[00:19:45] real quick off the subject but like
[00:19:47] this fucking team
[00:19:49] they are the epitome of that team
[00:19:51] that can just turn that switch at playoff time
[00:19:53] I know
[00:19:55] I think they're the west's Tampa
[00:19:57] you know like Tampa you know hey they haven't
[00:19:59] had a great season they're in decline
[00:20:01] who knows what's going on with them
[00:20:03] you just don't give them much thought until
[00:20:05] they turn it on to playoff now I know they're not running away
[00:20:07] with anything right now but they're
[00:20:09] a dangerous team to draw
[00:20:11] and that's definitely true of Vegas
[00:20:13] did you guys catch any of the
[00:20:15] second game
[00:20:17] the Florida Tampa Bay game
[00:20:19] I mean
[00:20:21] what a freaking goalie
[00:20:23] performance from both those guys
[00:20:25] it was so much fun to watch man
[00:20:27] just watching two pros
[00:20:29] clutch guys putting on a clinic
[00:20:31] it was amazing
[00:20:33] Vasilevsky to me is just
[00:20:35] dude he is
[00:20:37] definitely the best of this generation
[00:20:39] no doubt
[00:20:41] and maybe when it's all set
[00:20:43] I don't think he's a close second
[00:20:45] he's a little older and stuff but
[00:20:47] even then it's not that close
[00:20:49] I think Vasilevsky is it
[00:20:51] and then yeah you're probably right
[00:20:53] probably Flurry would be number two
[00:20:55] for this generation
[00:20:57] I can't trust myself because I just like
[00:20:59] the way he plays so much I always
[00:21:01] probably overrate him a little bit
[00:21:03] but on the other hand I think some people underrate him
[00:21:05] but he's not Vasilevsky
[00:21:07] there's only one
[00:21:09] and Samsonov
[00:21:11] Babrowski has been playing
[00:21:13] phenomenal I mean this dude
[00:21:15] has had a renaissance down there in Florida
[00:21:17] and he is putting on a
[00:21:19] it's good because he was getting some shit
[00:21:21] before these last two years
[00:21:23] he really was just like oh you know
[00:21:25] he's not the guy
[00:21:27] and he's gonna be in this category
[00:21:29] maybe could have been something
[00:21:31] someday like you know like Kerry Price
[00:21:33] and stuff you know
[00:21:35] but now he's like he's getting there
[00:21:37] and who knows he might come down with a cup this year
[00:21:39] Florida's good man
[00:21:41] Florida is freaking good
[00:21:43] there's a lot of fun hockey going on
[00:21:45] this is amazing so much fun to watch
[00:21:47] it's so hard
[00:21:49] I'm so mad at the LA
[00:21:51] Edmonton series
[00:21:53] because I'm so freaking late man
[00:21:55] like I can't stay up until
[00:21:57] 1130 in the morning watching those games
[00:21:59] but you know I catch all the highlights
[00:22:01] I watched the first period of the game the other night
[00:22:03] and that's another fun one
[00:22:05] you know but just yeah the west
[00:22:07] is loaded but it is
[00:22:09] you know
[00:22:11] like Bobby said about you know Timo Meyer
[00:22:13] he talked about it a little bit in the last show
[00:22:15] but
[00:22:17] if this devil team can stay healthy
[00:22:19] next year
[00:22:21] man they can be so dangerous
[00:22:23] yeah we really did have
[00:22:25] a lot of injuries
[00:22:27] going past what we even knew about
[00:22:29] I think I also mentioned on the show that didn't make it
[00:22:31] that uh
[00:22:33] Jesper Radd is being held out
[00:22:35] of the world forever for health reasons as well
[00:22:37] unspecified
[00:22:39] that I know I don't know what's ailing him
[00:22:41] Timo was beat to shit
[00:22:43] and still got those 28 goals
[00:22:45] and really carried the team for a few weeks at a time
[00:22:47] we know what Jack can do when he's completely healthy
[00:22:49] he would hurt, banged up, missed a lot of times
[00:22:51] still had a point of game
[00:22:53] Nico's Nico, Rat's driving
[00:22:55] I mean they've really if they put all together
[00:22:57] like they did two years ago with health
[00:22:59] um I don't know how different this year would have been
[00:23:01] because the goal-tending really did let us down
[00:23:03] it's amazing right like but
[00:23:05] I think they would have made up for a lot
[00:23:07] of that back goal-tending
[00:23:09] they were all fired
[00:23:11] they would have won a lot of 7-5 games and shit
[00:23:13] because at some extent they did that a little bit
[00:23:15] last year
[00:23:17] not only that but even just you know taking it all the way back
[00:23:19] you know get the first goal once in a while
[00:23:21] it changed the dynamic of the game
[00:23:23] you know and that can change everything so
[00:23:25] you know the other guy
[00:23:27] another guy you didn't mention is Dougie Hamilton
[00:23:29] I mean Dougie Hamilton's been on this team
[00:23:31] now three years and the first
[00:23:33] year got his jaw shattered
[00:23:35] jaw broken right and he's out
[00:23:37] for a bunch of time comes back was not
[00:23:39] the same player when he came back
[00:23:41] you could tell he was very tentative he didn't want to put himself
[00:23:43] in the situations
[00:23:45] constantly thinking about that jaw
[00:23:47] he's healthy all last year the guy has
[00:23:49] a ridiculously great year
[00:23:51] um and then this year we got him
[00:23:53] for 20 games he
[00:23:55] backs up the other team so
[00:23:57] much when he's got that puck getting ready to shoot
[00:23:59] man they just gotta like respect it
[00:24:01] and he draw that draws so much
[00:24:03] for us not to mention his own game winning goals
[00:24:05] but what it just does for the setup of the team
[00:24:07] after he takes that shot it's amazing
[00:24:09] you know we talk a lot about the
[00:24:11] core and it's you know it's Brad T-shirts
[00:24:13] he was it's Meyer and it kind of ends there
[00:24:15] I think you have to put Hamilton
[00:24:17] in there because he is
[00:24:19] you know you just take the three years
[00:24:21] when this guy was healthy all year
[00:24:23] we had a franchise and I'm not
[00:24:25] saying it's all on him but I'm saying
[00:24:27] he was healthy all year we had 112 points
[00:24:29] and came in second division and won a playoff
[00:24:31] round um he's our senior defenseman
[00:24:33] I mean I guess you could say Smith but I don't
[00:24:35] even count him as a defenseman
[00:24:37] yeah exactly
[00:24:39] we're not gonna see him in a WMF
[00:24:41] he's gone but um
[00:24:43] you know the but again I'm just
[00:24:45] saying I don't want to see us
[00:24:47] overpay for a goalie and I
[00:24:49] really hope that Tom Fitzgerald doesn't
[00:24:51] have this in his head that like it has
[00:24:53] to be Markstrom, Omar or
[00:24:55] Soros like it has to be or else
[00:24:57] he's letting it work
[00:24:59] yes exactly that phrase worried me
[00:25:01] dude are you painting yourself in a corner
[00:25:03] here and it was kind of like
[00:25:05] like a foolish thing financially
[00:25:07] it's like going into an auction
[00:25:09] like I will have that at any price
[00:25:11] exactly no like okay
[00:25:13] he definitely didn't go to the school of discretion
[00:25:15] like when it comes to what's on his mind
[00:25:17] like all the other like Lou Lamarillo would never tell you
[00:25:19] shit you would never come out there
[00:25:21] and say what he needed
[00:25:23] you know take the NFL draft that's happening right now
[00:25:25] okay my Minnesota Vikings
[00:25:27] uh they her cousins
[00:25:29] leaves he goes to Atlanta everybody
[00:25:31] knows they need a quarterback
[00:25:33] everybody they made
[00:25:35] a trade with Houston a couple
[00:25:37] weeks ago for their 23rd pick
[00:25:39] so they picked up another first round pick
[00:25:41] this year it wasn't to pick at 11 and 23
[00:25:43] it was to package them and move up
[00:25:45] and get a quarterback everybody
[00:25:47] knows it so whichever team
[00:25:49] they decide to trade with they're gonna
[00:25:51] fucking flee some or at least attempt
[00:25:53] to because you know
[00:25:55] the division see that they need that badly
[00:25:57] there are other teams like the Rangers
[00:25:59] I mean not the Rangers
[00:26:01] the Giants
[00:26:03] and you know
[00:26:05] other teams that you just don't know what they're gonna do
[00:26:07] they taking a quarterback I've heard they might want a quarterback
[00:26:09] so we gotta worry about them are they gonna take a wide receiver
[00:26:11] they're gonna take an offensive tackle blah blah blah
[00:26:13] and it keeps teams guessing and they're probably
[00:26:15] gonna get away with really what they want
[00:26:17] for you know staying in their
[00:26:19] spot but get what they want because
[00:26:21] they've maneuvered and they kept this
[00:26:23] little secrecy around them when your team
[00:26:25] like New Jersey everybody knows we need
[00:26:27] a goalie so when Tom Hitch Gerald goes
[00:26:29] and calls whoever
[00:26:31] and says what are you interested in oh I got Tom
[00:26:33] on the line hang on a second here
[00:26:35] and they're just going up in the hands and they're like
[00:26:37] yeah it's like it's COVID again somebody's
[00:26:39] gonna sell toilet paper to somebody else
[00:26:41] you know 25 dollars a roll buddy
[00:26:43] so yeah you got it you know that's why
[00:26:45] price gouging that's why I like
[00:26:47] I like the idea of the free agent
[00:26:49] coming in I just think
[00:26:51] um
[00:26:53] I like your idea there if
[00:26:55] when you're talking about the prospects
[00:26:57] and players whatever it would take that maybe
[00:26:59] you use them for leveraging some other
[00:27:01] spots you can
[00:27:03] a trade you don't see coming the things we talked
[00:27:05] about like that D-man you didn't even know was
[00:27:07] available um some kind of
[00:27:09] winger that would really flourish
[00:27:11] with Jack yeah make
[00:27:13] that line work is Jack on his own is
[00:27:15] almost good enough it's just something's
[00:27:17] missing on that line it appears at least
[00:27:19] for now right that you know the team op rat
[00:27:21] you know the manager line should get a solid chance
[00:27:23] again next year that a lot of chemistry
[00:27:25] but that can change very easily but yeah
[00:27:27] maybe you go out there
[00:27:29] and fill those other needs with some
[00:27:31] surprise moves you know
[00:27:33] there's hockey players as Tom Fitzgerald
[00:27:35] yeah and there's gonna be a lot of them
[00:27:37] I mean you look at what Vegas did the last
[00:27:39] couple years right nobody thought that they were
[00:27:41] gonna go out and get Jack Eichel and then when
[00:27:43] they did they traded for Jack Eichel when
[00:27:45] you know talk about having foresight
[00:27:47] and looking into the future like
[00:27:49] he was out with the surgery he
[00:27:51] traded for him and he wasn't gonna play
[00:27:53] after year with him right yeah he wasn't gonna
[00:27:55] play with them until the next season
[00:27:57] but they made the move
[00:27:59] because they knew what he could be and look at him
[00:28:01] you know he's you know on the verge of
[00:28:03] possibly winning his second cup uh
[00:28:05] in a row so I mean
[00:28:07] you gotta have you gotta be
[00:28:09] willing to make moves like that um
[00:28:11] I don't care at all about draft picks
[00:28:13] anymore I don't care about
[00:28:15] a lot of these prospects you've got
[00:28:17] you know you if you really want to build
[00:28:19] the devil's team into
[00:28:21] a Stanley Cup contender year after
[00:28:23] year you are gonna need those
[00:28:25] guys in the pipeline but there's a lot of
[00:28:27] guys in the pipeline you're not gonna need all of them
[00:28:29] I'm not saying empty the coffers and
[00:28:31] get rid of everybody and just revamp
[00:28:33] this entire team but we know what they need
[00:28:35] the way Vegas runs it needs to be studied
[00:28:37] too because you're the way you're
[00:28:39] describing it like they haven't done
[00:28:41] that you know they don't they
[00:28:43] they're doing it a totally different
[00:28:45] way now they're not really growing a farm system
[00:28:47] and they're kind of showing you don't
[00:28:49] necessarily have to anymore
[00:28:51] and it's a scary thing because that's
[00:28:53] not really what we were
[00:28:55] ever about as an organization
[00:28:57] and do you have to start doing something like
[00:28:59] they're accessing monies that
[00:29:01] we just don't we don't do right so
[00:29:03] like I don't I don't know
[00:29:05] I mean do you guys think like when
[00:29:07] Tom Fitzgerald came in started
[00:29:09] building the team and you could tell the eye
[00:29:11] you know we know the
[00:29:13] idea of the team he wanted right it was a
[00:29:15] fast team can score a lot
[00:29:17] of goals you know and be
[00:29:19] a puck possession offensive
[00:29:21] pressure team which is
[00:29:23] kind of where the league was or
[00:29:25] you know back when Jack was
[00:29:27] you know drafted and Nico
[00:29:29] was drafted and stuff and that was kind of what
[00:29:31] he was building. I think the pendulum has started to swing back
[00:29:33] a little bit but yeah that was like the height
[00:29:35] of we we want a fast
[00:29:37] team I don't care how small it doesn't need
[00:29:39] to be big and this needs to be fast
[00:29:41] skill right and then last year
[00:29:43] Vegas wins the cup with these
[00:29:45] I don't think they have a defenseman under
[00:29:47] six foot three they
[00:29:49] you know they play just a sound
[00:29:51] system they play physical
[00:29:53] and tough and they're tough to friggin
[00:29:55] play against and their forwards are all big
[00:29:57] and fast and it's like wow
[00:29:59] is that where the league
[00:30:01] is going remind me of 90s Stanley go
[00:30:03] yeah
[00:30:05] you know I just worry that we're going to be
[00:30:07] left in the dust if we continue to
[00:30:09] build out this way I think we have to
[00:30:11] start getting more size we have to
[00:30:13] start getting more physical
[00:30:15] I think we could say that yeah we needed
[00:30:17] more you know that's why we welcome the team of
[00:30:19] Meyer move more players
[00:30:21] of that ilk we have
[00:30:23] guys who
[00:30:25] and plenty who have
[00:30:27] you know
[00:30:29] smaller size and great hands we
[00:30:31] already have a lot of those guys
[00:30:33] they can be
[00:30:35] they can be helped a lot
[00:30:37] by adding size to the team we can I don't
[00:30:39] believe we should just go into
[00:30:41] like skill and
[00:30:43] size
[00:30:45] speed only I don't think that's going to do
[00:30:47] it for you and I never really fully bought
[00:30:49] into that I think we have enough of those guys
[00:30:51] right now so now let me ask
[00:30:53] you guys right if you
[00:30:55] have to trade away
[00:30:57] Dawson Mercer
[00:30:59] Alex Holtz
[00:31:01] and a first round pick
[00:31:03] for UC Soros
[00:31:05] or Dawson Mercer Alex Holtz
[00:31:07] and a first round pick for Brady
[00:31:09] Kachuk who do you go
[00:31:11] and get that's a tough call
[00:31:15] man I it's not for me you're saying
[00:31:17] Kachuk I know it's going to be Kachuk for
[00:31:19] you you but you know
[00:31:21] remember this as you answer that quickly
[00:31:23] I totally understand he would
[00:31:25] change the character this team and everything
[00:31:27] we also know
[00:31:29] that we definitely need a goalie so
[00:31:31] in your plan to get Kachuk I want to go with
[00:31:33] you as long as we have a plan B
[00:31:35] let's say they sign the rain
[00:31:37] Brasov would you be okay with that
[00:31:39] yeah I think so I think
[00:31:41] if I'm getting Brasov and Kachuk
[00:31:43] versus getting
[00:31:45] Soros or Markstrom I'll take
[00:31:47] the former I'll take
[00:31:49] Brasov and Kachuk definitely I mean
[00:31:51] yeah so you're saying out
[00:31:53] is like a Holtz
[00:31:55] and Berser some picks
[00:31:57] very interesting in is Kachuk
[00:31:59] and Brasov I mean
[00:32:01] you'd have to absolutely take that
[00:32:03] I'm just saying like who are we going to put with Jack
[00:32:05] well Brady Kachuk that's the guy
[00:32:07] he's a perfect example of the exact
[00:32:09] type of guy
[00:32:11] that would ride well with him yes
[00:32:13] now I don't know what other guys
[00:32:15] that we wouldn't have to pay
[00:32:17] like Kachuk wise that could fill
[00:32:19] the same void I don't really
[00:32:21] know I think the older players that would play
[00:32:23] good with Jack you know I think about
[00:32:25] Matthew Barnaby remember yeah yeah
[00:32:27] you'd be fucking great
[00:32:29] now the problem is he's our age
[00:32:31] so that's like the work he's been
[00:32:33] out of the league yeah Jeff reason
[00:32:35] he's another one yeah you know
[00:32:37] put Jeff reason Jamie Langenbruner
[00:32:39] you know with him you know
[00:32:41] that would be that would be great
[00:32:43] even you know Brian Ralston
[00:32:45] Patrick Elliott could you
[00:32:47] imagine Patrick Elliott and Jack
[00:32:49] Hughes on the same line because
[00:32:51] Elliott was a physical player
[00:32:53] so we need a guy with hands
[00:32:55] grit
[00:32:57] some size and
[00:32:59] who can play
[00:33:01] like with that determination
[00:33:03] almost like he's your determination but
[00:33:05] with more size and
[00:33:07] that would be that's the kind
[00:33:09] of guy we want to play with Jack
[00:33:11] I always thought last year when we were working on the Timo deal
[00:33:13] that that is exactly what Timo's role would be
[00:33:15] for whatever reason it doesn't seem like
[00:33:17] those two really work together
[00:33:19] but that was the prototypical guy that I
[00:33:21] wanted on Jack's win agreed yeah
[00:33:23] I'm pretty sure that
[00:33:25] Jack Hughes and the Kachuks are close too
[00:33:27] the Hughes and Kachuk family so like
[00:33:29] if Brady was to come here and I'm
[00:33:31] not 100% but I think I've heard that
[00:33:33] that they are you know familiar
[00:33:35] and tight so or
[00:33:37] at least you know familiar
[00:33:40] with each other but
[00:33:42] Brady Kachuk I just think if you
[00:33:44] want to talk big game hunting to me that's
[00:33:46] the big game you should be going after
[00:33:48] and you do whatever you can
[00:33:50] to get him here without you know of course
[00:33:52] giving away the guys that
[00:33:54] we don't want to give away but you know I don't
[00:33:56] want Dawson Mercer to leave but I will
[00:33:58] pack his bags if it's for Brady Kachuk
[00:34:00] I have no problem with that you know
[00:34:02] so I just think that needs
[00:34:04] to be the big game that they're talking
[00:34:06] about and
[00:34:08] you know like you said
[00:34:10] don't give it all up for a goalie go
[00:34:12] and get you know a free agent guy
[00:34:14] like Brasois put him in front of
[00:34:16] Jake Allen
[00:34:18] and get ourselves a couple
[00:34:20] I think we need two defense two defensemen
[00:34:22] but like you said Bobby there's so many guys
[00:34:24] that we don't even know about whose names aren't
[00:34:26] even coming up yet and they'll start all
[00:34:28] spitting out after the cup you know this guy's
[00:34:30] available that's guys available look we don't
[00:34:32] you know know the rosters of all
[00:34:34] 32 teams inside and out you know
[00:34:36] we know our team we're the devil there's a
[00:34:38] double podcast you can listen to XM
[00:34:40] if you want to hear about all that all the
[00:34:42] other guys so I don't I'm not familiar with
[00:34:44] a ton of them but I know they're out
[00:34:46] there so you know who else is free agent
[00:34:48] now Mike even if you don't know by name
[00:34:50] right now if I told you right now that
[00:34:52] we're gonna start October with
[00:34:54] you know stud D-man number X
[00:34:56] and Hamilton back
[00:34:58] I mean right there that sets your whole
[00:35:00] defensive line yes back
[00:35:02] I mean it really could help yeah
[00:35:04] I agree you know and
[00:35:06] there's another goalie that
[00:35:08] Michael Decaro he actually
[00:35:10] wrote to us and said you know hey
[00:35:12] let's say that UC Soros
[00:35:14] goes on a run with Nashville
[00:35:16] and Barry Trots after this season
[00:35:18] is there's no way we can get rid of them
[00:35:20] right now well the guy that they're
[00:35:22] bringing up that
[00:35:24] I think is the reason why Soros
[00:35:26] is even being discussed as a possible
[00:35:28] trade is because they have
[00:35:30] the Yaroslav Askarov
[00:35:32] or Askarov it's A-S-K-A-R-O-V
[00:35:34] I don't know how you spell it
[00:35:36] how you say it rather he's 6-3
[00:35:38] he's 178 pounds has not
[00:35:40] played much he's Russian I read
[00:35:42] some scouting reports and stuff like they're
[00:35:44] saying this is a guy at comparable
[00:35:46] to Igor Shisterkin
[00:35:48] you know Sorokin
[00:35:50] those type of guys
[00:35:52] and he has all the skill
[00:35:54] he's only played three games I mean
[00:35:56] we're talking about barely any
[00:35:58] sample size he is 2-1 in one with a
[00:36:00] 9-1 for safe percentage and a 2.5
[00:36:02] equals against average now
[00:36:04] Michael was saying to us like
[00:36:06] it maybe would
[00:36:08] be kind of cool to go after
[00:36:10] him a young guy
[00:36:12] with a ton of upside
[00:36:14] who Nashville is you know Nashville
[00:36:16] and makes it to the second third round
[00:36:18] and son the back of UC Soros
[00:36:20] are they going to if they are willing
[00:36:22] to trade him you're gonna overpay out the
[00:36:24] are they gonna be willing to trade him
[00:36:26] after that so maybe a guy like
[00:36:28] that I don't know much about him
[00:36:30] yeah I mean
[00:36:32] that's definitely a far cry from what
[00:36:34] we were literally saying the words
[00:36:36] bonafide no doubt I'll start
[00:36:38] right and with three games you can't
[00:36:40] really say that so that mean
[00:36:42] that's definitely not the big game
[00:36:44] hunting he was advertising but
[00:36:46] I get your point I get
[00:36:48] your point
[00:36:50] you know I think
[00:36:52] in that scenario you better
[00:36:54] be like okay but we got to go
[00:36:56] and I think he's got another great year
[00:36:58] if you're gonna go that route I would
[00:37:00] much rather be a little safer
[00:37:02] and go from but I mean I see
[00:37:04] it would is you know if
[00:37:06] Soros is off the market it's interesting
[00:37:08] take it would essentially be like
[00:37:10] drafting a first round goalie
[00:37:12] and throwing him in right away
[00:37:14] and just feeling like this guy is the
[00:37:16] real deal and we're gonna have
[00:37:18] our number one guy for the next
[00:37:20] 10 years with this dude if you believe
[00:37:22] in him that much I don't know
[00:37:24] you know who's making the goalie decisions
[00:37:26] in New Jersey but I
[00:37:28] I'm not very confident
[00:37:30] I don't think any goalies are
[00:37:32] I don't think you can I mean
[00:37:34] I don't think there's been a goalie that came on
[00:37:36] the scene as like this is
[00:37:38] this guy's the next we've
[00:37:40] at the draft and that actually
[00:37:42] you know necessarily panned
[00:37:44] out I mean you know what I mean they're
[00:37:46] all like great prospects but you don't
[00:37:48] see like a Sydney Crosby
[00:37:50] or even like a Badaard or anybody
[00:37:52] like that doesn't happen with goalies
[00:37:54] it you know
[00:37:56] you can look back on their drafts and
[00:37:58] sometimes they're picked fairly high
[00:38:00] but go look at them and I think
[00:38:02] do you have more failures and success
[00:38:04] with goalies I mean it's the one that comes of mine
[00:38:06] like that striped super high was
[00:38:08] it was the first overall like first
[00:38:10] overall and it took him really long
[00:38:12] time and he was good
[00:38:14] you know I don't think I don't think anyone
[00:38:16] would say he became what they thought he was
[00:38:18] going to be. Alright so no and
[00:38:20] not much of a fighter. These are goalies that were
[00:38:22] picked in the first round
[00:38:24] okay from okay
[00:38:26] there's a quick Google. Discos
[00:38:28] like I mean Discos back
[00:38:30] quite a ways but when you hear the
[00:38:32] names of most of these guys
[00:38:34] okay Marty Brodor,
[00:38:36] Roberto Loango,
[00:38:38] Marc Andre Flurry, Grant
[00:38:40] Fior, Tom Barrasso
[00:38:42] Oli de Gole. I get it
[00:38:44] Cary Price, Cam Ward
[00:38:46] Cary Laytonen, Varlamo
[00:38:48] Giger, Tia Ball
[00:38:50] Tuka Rask
[00:38:52] Devin Dubinik
[00:38:54] Marten Burrion
[00:38:56] yeah I would drop the name there first round
[00:38:58] I was uh I have a career
[00:39:00] 2.61 goes against and a
[00:39:02] 910 saved percentage I have very good
[00:39:04] numbers but nobody liked me very much
[00:39:06] Andre Basilewski
[00:39:08] you know these guys Corey Schneider
[00:39:10] was in the first round uh you know
[00:39:12] these are dudes that when you pick
[00:39:14] a guy Jake Ottinger, when you pick
[00:39:16] a guy in the first round Ely Samson
[00:39:18] off there studs like we have
[00:39:20] not had that since Brodor
[00:39:22] like you know it is
[00:39:24] a scarab or
[00:39:26] well we had Schneider
[00:39:28] that's true we didn't draft him though
[00:39:30] um that's true
[00:39:32] and there are some guys
[00:39:34] in here that you know I've never heard of
[00:39:36] but they're older dudes
[00:39:38] you know like uh
[00:39:40] Maxime Ouellet, you know who that is then
[00:39:42] yeah I do
[00:39:44] I don't remember
[00:39:46] good part was it
[00:39:48] let me find out
[00:39:50] so he was born in 81
[00:39:52] he's from Quebec
[00:39:54] what do you spell it? Ouellet
[00:39:56] O-U-L-E-T
[00:39:58] he was born in the 90s
[00:40:00] he was taken in
[00:40:02] 1991 he was
[00:40:04] 1999 rather he was this 20
[00:40:06] 22nd overall pick
[00:40:08] he played
[00:40:10] his career
[00:40:12] mostly he only played 12 games in the NHL
[00:40:14] so he didn't pan out
[00:40:16] he played 206 AHL games
[00:40:18] he played 160
[00:40:20] um Quebec major junior
[00:40:22] games 12 NHL games
[00:40:24] and 5 ECHL games
[00:40:26] sometimes you get Maxime Ouellet
[00:40:28] but you know
[00:40:30] yeah but you just rattled off 15 big men
[00:40:32] these are guys that you know these first rounders
[00:40:34] now I don't know where
[00:40:36] a scar
[00:40:37] honestly that's better than I was expecting
[00:40:39] I just feel like
[00:40:41] the draft in goalies is not as predictive
[00:40:43] as it could be for other positions
[00:40:45] and that goes to
[00:40:47] the fact that it takes Goal Tenders longer
[00:40:49] right Dan? I mean
[00:40:51] maybe that's why I got this impression
[00:40:53] because it I don't know
[00:40:55] but also I'm just a little frustrated with our farm system
[00:40:58] I really liked
[00:41:00] and wanted more success out of
[00:41:02] Schmidt and Dawes
[00:41:04] and a few of the other guys we've had over the last few years
[00:41:06] and um
[00:41:08] you know maybe I'm just being a little frustrated with that
[00:41:10] because I think the proven right now
[00:41:12] they were not first rounders
[00:41:14] they're not giving you first round performances
[00:41:16] so you know
[00:41:18] see what a couple more years in AHL can get
[00:41:20] Scarab is uh right now he's with the Milwaukee
[00:41:22] admirals down in the AHL
[00:41:24] he's 21 years old
[00:41:26] 6 foot 3
[00:41:27] 181 pounds
[00:41:29] uh he was drafted 11th overall
[00:41:31] this dude is you know
[00:41:33] you don't draft a goalie 11th overall
[00:41:35] unless you believe that this guy is the next
[00:41:38] now I think you have much better shot
[00:41:41] sounds like you're gonna say
[00:41:43] you probably have a much better shot with Soros
[00:41:45] than you do with this dude
[00:41:47] you know he definitely seems like the future
[00:41:49] but like why can't we get a guy like that
[00:41:51] why can't we identify a stud goalie
[00:41:54] and draft them and bring them in
[00:41:56] you know since Brodoor we haven't had it
[00:41:58] we did have some first
[00:41:59] we've had some first round picks
[00:42:01] we've had shots at some of these guys
[00:42:03] and we didn't take them
[00:42:05] I don't think any of us regret taking Jack Hughes
[00:42:07] and he sure but
[00:42:09] you know uh we didn't have the bad choices
[00:42:11] yeah I mean look at those drafts
[00:42:13] who was the first goalie picked
[00:42:15] in those two drafts and where is that goalie today
[00:42:17] I know
[00:42:18] you know I don't even know
[00:42:20] at what number they were
[00:42:22] I'm gonna see who was
[00:42:24] drafted in the 2020 draft
[00:42:27] um ok so
[00:42:29] I love this
[00:42:30] Alexi Laffinier went number one
[00:42:33] then we had Quentin Biefield
[00:42:35] Tim Studestah
[00:42:36] Lucas Raymond
[00:42:38] Jake Sanders it's a pretty good draft
[00:42:40] Jamie Drysdale
[00:42:41] we took Alex Holtz at 7
[00:42:43] um then Jack Quinn went at 8
[00:42:46] and you go and Escarra
[00:42:48] was taken at 11 so yeah
[00:42:50] we should have took him down
[00:42:52] now we're gonna take him down
[00:42:54] instead of Holtz
[00:42:56] oh no I'm sorry close game alert
[00:42:58] but yeah so that's that was our
[00:43:00] 19th and we took Dawson Mercer
[00:43:02] in 18th
[00:43:04] so right in between this goal
[00:43:06] he went like you could have had
[00:43:08] Mercer and this dude
[00:43:10] 21 years old
[00:43:12] you know compared to Shisterkin
[00:43:14] with a retrospect the way the team has progressed
[00:43:16] we certainly could have gone without
[00:43:18] Holtz and keep the Mercer and had that
[00:43:20] goal in the system but hey maybe you can still
[00:43:22] trade for him with a plan that we keep him
[00:43:24] for a couple years down the road
[00:43:26] I would still want something short for the next year or two
[00:43:28] you know again there's a professional goal
[00:43:30] or you know I don't know
[00:43:32] who's coming out in these drafts
[00:43:34] but maybe maybe you focus
[00:43:36] on really going and getting the guy like
[00:43:38] we're gonna have a great draft this year
[00:43:40] great draft pick I mean there's a chance
[00:43:42] that we could be number one
[00:43:44] the very small chance the smallest chance there is
[00:43:46] out of any of the 10 teams that can go for it
[00:43:48] but we have it
[00:43:50] we can even just
[00:43:52] move up a spot or two too it doesn't have to be the number one
[00:43:54] there's other options to try
[00:43:56] I think they're like 300
[00:43:58] I think they are
[00:44:00] yeah
[00:44:02] but let's just say
[00:44:04] that we get the number one pick
[00:44:06] right with all the
[00:44:08] needs that are on this team
[00:44:10] that you know
[00:44:12] I mean they're really
[00:44:14] they could say generational talent
[00:44:16] this dude is the real deal
[00:44:18] and I've heard people
[00:44:20] even say if he came out last year
[00:44:22] it would have actually been a little difficult
[00:44:24] for some teams to differentiate
[00:44:26] between him and Connor Bedard
[00:44:28] so this is how much
[00:44:30] people are loving this guy
[00:44:32] but think about what you can get from a team
[00:44:34] for that number one pick
[00:44:36] like is that even something you consider
[00:44:38] trading away
[00:44:40] from a team that's not
[00:44:42] a lot of money
[00:44:44] and you know
[00:44:46] you're a little bit more
[00:44:48] familiar to me I instantly said
[00:44:50] I don't give a crap about that pick
[00:44:52] and then you inform me about this kid
[00:44:54] and I hadn't known about him
[00:44:56] him I would take
[00:44:58] and just have that much more
[00:45:00] than we could package together
[00:45:02] for all sorts of stuff
[00:45:04] because if he's totally generational
[00:45:06] I mean
[00:45:08] you lose nothing
[00:45:10] you can still make the same trades
[00:45:12] you could have the day before
[00:45:14] but first get a shot at landing your swaths
[00:45:16] or maybe somebody better without trading away
[00:45:18] that
[00:45:20] so like whatever deal you were going to trade for
[00:45:22] he was going to be everybody's first get
[00:45:24] I would think
[00:45:26] so they're still going to pay the same price
[00:45:28] which actually makes it even more tangible though
[00:45:30] because Dan there's always that one team
[00:45:32] that just might not have grabbed them
[00:45:34] you never know
[00:45:36] if you had that name it would be worth talking about
[00:45:38] yeah I mean
[00:45:40] I think that
[00:45:42] if this happens I don't think you trade a max
[00:45:44] celebrity period
[00:45:46] you know I think if you get lucky enough
[00:45:48] that you get that number one pick
[00:45:50] you were just holding that thing super tight
[00:45:52] and you're just like holy shit
[00:45:54] we have in the last seven years
[00:45:56] three number one picks and here's the thing
[00:45:58] they all fucking panned out
[00:46:00] well say we have celebrity
[00:46:02] and he does pan out
[00:46:04] so think about how close we were
[00:46:06] to taking in seton eco he sure taking
[00:46:08] Nolan Patrick
[00:46:10] houses shoulders
[00:46:12] because I we need some shoulders houses
[00:46:14] shoulders
[00:46:16] yeah I just hope we x-ray
[00:46:18] not that big I think it's only like
[00:46:20] celebrity but
[00:46:22] yeah I'm just concerned
[00:46:24] about our picks
[00:46:26] panning out health wise look at what this year
[00:46:28] did to us you know I'm just
[00:46:30] going to chalk up the bad luck I've never
[00:46:32] you know I've never seen a year
[00:46:34] for the devils like this
[00:46:36] and you know I thought this was
[00:46:38] it was the same thing with the Vikings
[00:46:40] this year for me like I was
[00:46:42] every
[00:46:44] starter every difference maker
[00:46:46] was gone and you just
[00:46:48] you know you can't put the pieces back
[00:46:50] together and you know in no injuries
[00:46:52] aren't an excuse but
[00:46:54] they're an excuse
[00:46:56] you know there's it's a reason they are
[00:46:58] I do want to talk a little bit about coaches
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[00:49:04] so we were talking a little bit
[00:49:06] on the aborted show
[00:49:08] about the uh about coaches
[00:49:10] and
[00:49:12] yes we did have our prerequisite
[00:49:14] right the guy they have to have a
[00:49:16] Stanley Cub like this is what we want
[00:49:18] now Michael Decaro is one
[00:49:20] of our listeners he
[00:49:22] posted I'm not going to get into the
[00:49:24] Rand Pecknell right now um the guy from
[00:49:26] Quinnipiac but I do want
[00:49:28] to talk about Carl
[00:49:30] so
[00:49:32] he
[00:49:34] let's go Carl
[00:49:36] Carl
[00:49:38] um so he writes
[00:49:40] and I'll read what he wrote
[00:49:42] because he I mean
[00:49:44] talked this dude up like nobody's
[00:49:46] business
[00:49:48] so he says I also
[00:49:50] want to present another coach candidate
[00:49:52] for your consideration while he has
[00:49:54] never coached an NHL game he's at the
[00:49:56] top of my list he's one now
[00:49:58] Michael has very good takes he's
[00:50:00] very knowledgeable uh you know
[00:50:02] yes I recall
[00:50:04] honestly I rarely have anything
[00:50:06] right unlike us he's not a
[00:50:08] fucking yeah so
[00:50:10] uh although
[00:50:12] I guess I agree with him so that's kind of
[00:50:14] slander that is true maybe he is a
[00:50:16] good idiot
[00:50:18] he's one two and three last
[00:50:20] NCAA frozen four championships
[00:50:22] the year in between when he didn't win
[00:50:24] the frozen four he was NCAA
[00:50:26] hockey coach of the year he led Denver
[00:50:28] to an NCAA regular season championship
[00:50:30] and coached team USA
[00:50:32] with Seamus Casey to world junior
[00:50:34] gold he has a
[00:50:36] 690 winning percentage over six seasons
[00:50:38] is only 34 years old
[00:50:40] and he's a proven championship winning
[00:50:42] coach I present to you
[00:50:44] Carl he
[00:50:46] he's also a hard working high character
[00:50:48] guy that can motivate our boys because
[00:50:50] he understands how to turn disappointment
[00:50:52] into motivation he was set to
[00:50:54] be a second round NHL draft pick but
[00:50:56] a heart condition ended that dream
[00:50:58] he didn't sulk or get sour his
[00:51:00] attitude and character was so impressive
[00:51:02] that the University of Denver
[00:51:04] honored his playing scholarship and offered
[00:51:06] him a coaching position he took the
[00:51:08] opportunity and worked his way up to the point
[00:51:10] that he was recruited for an assistant
[00:51:12] coaching job at Green Bay he then
[00:51:14] came back to Denver as
[00:51:16] Michael such a good writer I want to make
[00:51:18] a movie of this fucking story now Rudy
[00:51:20] I know he's such a good
[00:51:22] back to Denver as an assistant
[00:51:24] under Jim Montgomery I think that
[00:51:26] does say a lot here and helps him
[00:51:28] with the frozen four into it helps him
[00:51:30] win a frozen four in 2017
[00:51:32] he replaced Montgomery as head coach
[00:51:34] in 2018 and has built
[00:51:36] them into a perennial contender
[00:51:38] his two frozen four championships
[00:51:40] at Denver the all-time
[00:51:42] record a goal he promised he'd
[00:51:44] achieve before leaving but wait
[00:51:46] there's more he says what's really
[00:51:48] impressive is that he has proven he can
[00:51:50] turn teams with different talent levels
[00:51:52] into champions and he can do it
[00:51:54] in different ways he's not a guy
[00:51:56] married to one system Denver doesn't
[00:51:58] get elite talent like a Michigan or
[00:52:00] Boston but his teams have beaten them
[00:52:02] the win championships using structure
[00:52:04] tactics hard work and
[00:52:06] systems that maximize like that
[00:52:08] strength while taking advantage
[00:52:10] those are all the weakness I know
[00:52:12] he's also showed that he can lead a
[00:52:14] stack team of young top tier
[00:52:16] talent going undefeated and winning
[00:52:18] world junior gold if he thinks his
[00:52:20] high octane offense gives him the best
[00:52:22] chance to win he'll play a system to
[00:52:24] maximize high danger chances and keep out
[00:52:26] of the D zone if he knows his team
[00:52:28] is outgunned they'll have them play
[00:52:30] tight D and counter to make the most
[00:52:32] of limited opportunities on offense
[00:52:34] he's the type of coach that will study
[00:52:36] up with the game plan to beat them and
[00:52:38] get his players buying in and playing
[00:52:40] as a team so they win most
[00:52:42] importantly if his plan isn't working
[00:52:44] he's willing to adjust and change
[00:52:46] tactics this devil season
[00:52:48] showed me the value of having a coach
[00:52:50] who can recognize a bad fit and put the
[00:52:52] team in the best position to win by putting
[00:52:54] together the best lineup and making smart
[00:52:56] tactical adjustments
[00:52:58] David Carl
[00:53:00] I don't know if you should be like an
[00:53:02] art an agent for coaches
[00:53:04] or like a devil scout
[00:53:06] because that is such a great analysis
[00:53:08] and provided every all the facts
[00:53:10] that we're out there are true which I
[00:53:12] 100% believe it would be
[00:53:14] hilarious if he's making a shit up right
[00:53:16] like imagine if there is no
[00:53:18] all over
[00:53:20] even a university at Denver what the
[00:53:22] fuck is this Jim McGovern
[00:53:24] he's never heard of this role ever
[00:53:26] because the truth is I have no idea
[00:53:28] and I'm very impressed by his fucking
[00:53:30] knowledge it's it's if what he's
[00:53:32] saying is true I mean well that's just
[00:53:34] great
[00:53:36] packaging of everything the devils
[00:53:38] need so I see why he thinks this guy
[00:53:40] such a great fit is he on a lot
[00:53:42] of other people's I've never heard
[00:53:44] I've just we
[00:53:46] just there was an article
[00:53:48] by mc
[00:53:50] michael's mcnickels oh yeah
[00:53:52] yeah mccaron mccaron
[00:53:54] and three out of the box are
[00:53:56] untalked about coaching candidates and
[00:53:58] this guy was number three on there
[00:54:00] that's the only other time that I heard it
[00:54:02] yep this you know if yogi bearer
[00:54:04] was here right now he'd say it's
[00:54:06] I know again so this is a tough
[00:54:08] one for me against you Michael you are
[00:54:10] a master marketer for sure
[00:54:12] yeah I really would love to know
[00:54:14] how you would write up other coaches
[00:54:16] to if there's just one or two boxes that
[00:54:18] aren't checked because this guy does sound
[00:54:20] phenomenal I still think I want
[00:54:22] a kind of proven commodity back
[00:54:24] there and I never thought I was
[00:54:26] straight from that but did you just get
[00:54:28] out of the box? did you get swayed?
[00:54:30] because at first he's like I'm like
[00:54:32] alright I'll hear him out I like this guy
[00:54:34] but I guess what I want
[00:54:36] with a known guy I want and I said
[00:54:38] I think we put few of us
[00:54:40] said we want some guy who
[00:54:42] wants to stay like that. But I've
[00:54:44] had to endure that reading twice now
[00:54:46] and I feel like it's kind of penetrating
[00:54:48] his brain and now it's trying to go for
[00:54:50] a day to talk. The last time
[00:54:52] when we were discussing it Bob you were
[00:54:54] a little bit contrarian and said well
[00:54:56] I bet every coach analyzes
[00:54:58] every team and said he figures out
[00:55:00] the ways to be like
[00:55:02] or I said it shouldn't at least every coach do
[00:55:04] so yes good point but
[00:55:06] if you look at
[00:55:08] a guy okay so
[00:55:10] I've said this
[00:55:12] I absolutely
[00:55:14] I went against everything I believed
[00:55:16] when I said that I believe that we should
[00:55:18] get a proven commodity a guy who's
[00:55:20] won a cup because I hate the coaching carousel
[00:55:22] in the NHL. I absolutely despised
[00:55:24] at the same
[00:55:26] 6 to 10 guys just keep on
[00:55:28] getting regurgitated out to a new fucking team
[00:55:30] and they coached for
[00:55:32] 50 fucking years. I.e.
[00:55:34] Lindy Ruff just got hired again.
[00:55:36] What is this? The Supreme Court? Fuck's sake guys
[00:55:38] since the Supreme Court
[00:55:40] you can't get it. Is this Congress?
[00:55:42] You don't really get far it's actually more like
[00:55:44] the Catholic Church you just move you to another
[00:55:46] and that is... Nobody ever gets in nobody ever
[00:55:48] gets out.
[00:55:50] Lindy Ruff was
[00:55:52] embarrassed this year and Buffalo couldn't
[00:55:54] hire him fast enough.
[00:55:56] They didn't even get to play all.
[00:55:58] It's the same fucking
[00:56:00] thing with all these other guys
[00:56:02] so yeah I was on the
[00:56:04] get Craig Barubi, get Mike Solven
[00:56:06] I believe that Michael
[00:56:08] has swayed me to say let's
[00:56:10] give the fucking unknowing commodity
[00:56:12] a chance. Let's throw him in there
[00:56:14] with this great team
[00:56:16] and just this big giant talented ball
[00:56:18] clay and say mold me a Stanley Cup
[00:56:20] champion because this sounds like you can
[00:56:22] fucking do it.
[00:56:24] But don't you feel like if we lose the first
[00:56:26] 10 games we're going to find Michael and do something
[00:56:28] I think we'll chop him up and ship
[00:56:30] his fucking body plus to David Carl
[00:56:32] You did this.
[00:56:34] Why did we listen to you Michael
[00:56:36] you, you, you tricked me
[00:56:38] No I think he's
[00:56:40] onto something. I mean the guys are
[00:56:42] weird. That's a good one.
[00:56:44] I just think it sounds like somebody
[00:56:46] I love maybe on the coaching
[00:56:48] staff. Right?
[00:56:50] How about this
[00:56:52] can we get this next Jesus as
[00:56:54] the assistant coach behind
[00:56:56] I don't know the Solven
[00:56:58] Barubi whatever. I gotta ask
[00:57:00] them. I mean I'll text them later.
[00:57:02] I might be hard to find a way
[00:57:04] as an assistant. I want him as a head coach.
[00:57:06] And it would be as a head coach
[00:57:08] My personal thing too
[00:57:10] I mentioned on the Annette show
[00:57:12] is that just personally I'm just
[00:57:14] jaded from the I've just been burned
[00:57:16] by this new wave of trying to get
[00:57:18] new younger
[00:57:20] people in on teams whether it's a GM
[00:57:22] or a manager. You don't want a millennial coach
[00:57:24] you had nothing to do with these fucking guys
[00:57:26] I just
[00:57:28] I just for this one moment
[00:57:30] for these next couple years I just want that
[00:57:32] a proven Stanley
[00:57:34] couple winning coach. Alright. I mean I get
[00:57:36] it and it's probably going to be the way
[00:57:38] that he goes like I see that the only way
[00:57:40] that a guy like Carl
[00:57:42] gets this job is even
[00:57:44] Fitzgerald even has him
[00:57:46] on the radar and calls him in for an interview
[00:57:48] I feel like the only way he would get this job
[00:57:50] if he just completely fucking wowed
[00:57:52] everyone in the room where he
[00:57:54] walked out of that. Well he better bring Michael
[00:57:56] to Carl to just like
[00:57:58] He just walks in he sits down he goes
[00:58:00] my buddy wrote this up just read that. That's about
[00:58:02] me and that's it. He doesn't say
[00:58:04] anything. He just says Michael there is his
[00:58:06] translator
[00:58:08] slash you know a hype man
[00:58:10] that's it so
[00:58:12] hype man
[00:58:14] modern Harold you know but I mean
[00:58:16] unless he comes in and completely wowed
[00:58:18] him no I don't think they're going to go that route
[00:58:20] for the exact same reason I think that Tom
[00:58:22] Fitzgerald just at this point is like
[00:58:24] I need
[00:58:26] to know what I'm getting here I need to know
[00:58:28] what this team's going to look like and
[00:58:30] the direction that this team's going to go
[00:58:32] and everything but something that kind of
[00:58:34] leans me a little bit to maybe
[00:58:36] maybe he would go
[00:58:38] with a guy that's
[00:58:40] unproven and never coached in the NHL is so
[00:58:42] much in his exit interviews
[00:58:44] and Fitzgerald stuff he does seem like he
[00:58:46] does like to micromanage this team a
[00:58:48] little bit and kind of get
[00:58:50] his hands in there and start playing around with the pieces
[00:58:52] I think a guy like Craig
[00:58:54] Barubi might say get the fuck out of my
[00:58:56] locker room and that could be
[00:58:58] but we're younger guy would maybe allow
[00:59:00] that a little bit and you know they're not in a
[00:59:02] position to say get the fuck out of my
[00:59:04] locker room it's our first head coaching job
[00:59:06] so you know I don't know how much of an ego
[00:59:08] Tom Fitzgerald how much of Tom
[00:59:10] Fitzgerald's ego will be into this coaching
[00:59:12] process and decision
[00:59:14] but I
[00:59:16] I'd be willing to give it a shot right
[00:59:18] you know we had Peter D'Borre
[00:59:20] and fucking Linnilov nothing worked
[00:59:22] like get the fucking young guy in there
[00:59:26] depending on how other things shake out there
[00:59:28] too I think that some of the other moves
[00:59:30] need to be
[00:59:32] proven as well
[00:59:34] proven winners stand the cup winners
[00:59:36] like if you if all this comes out
[00:59:38] and you know and this person
[00:59:40] wants to be in place before the draft so unfortunately
[00:59:42] that would make it really hard for
[00:59:44] personnel player personnel to change
[00:59:46] before the coach comes in but if I just knew
[00:59:48] ahead of time what type of other pieces
[00:59:50] we were getting in
[00:59:52] and I'd probably be more apt to say you know what
[00:59:54] this this guy sounds like a guy who could kind
[00:59:56] of galvanize that that whole team is just
[00:59:58] until I see what the team's gonna be on paper
[01:00:00] like assuming maybe that almost
[01:00:02] this entire team comes back
[01:00:04] maybe we just get a goalie who knows
[01:00:06] like I don't know what the grand plan is
[01:00:08] then for that reason for sure I want kind
[01:00:10] of that proven guy who's got a track record
[01:00:12] of taking a team and bringing them to championship level
[01:00:14] because you know
[01:00:16] why is that because you know Michael
[01:00:18] DeCarro said this guy's good at putting
[01:00:20] good and bad players together
[01:00:22] to make a real team
[01:00:24] coaches most coaches should be able to do that
[01:00:26] I also don't know Michael
[01:00:28] Michael I'm not really sure
[01:00:30] I'm repeating his sales talk for a reason
[01:00:32] no I totally get it
[01:00:34] but my point is like what in the player
[01:00:36] personnel would make you lean
[01:00:38] toward this younger guy
[01:00:40] you mean if we didn't get the team together that we want
[01:00:42] why not just get it
[01:00:44] doesn't really make a ton of sense
[01:00:46] I'm just kind of saying if I knew
[01:00:48] if we had an imported stud defenseman
[01:00:50] that I know could help take over a game
[01:00:52] if I saw the type of player
[01:00:54] personality like to chuck on this team
[01:00:56] that I know is going to help actually drive
[01:00:58] that attitude and that championship team
[01:01:00] as far as the players go
[01:01:02] then I honestly think that I would be more relaxed
[01:01:04] about who's pulling the strings
[01:01:06] if I had certain strong personalities
[01:01:08] that I know just want to win
[01:01:10] I mean you're kind of
[01:01:12] you're kind of saying
[01:01:14] it's what you're kind of saying
[01:01:16] I don't want a coach
[01:01:18] to be able to coach because I want to have the players
[01:01:20] in there that can just do what they do
[01:01:22] and I don't have to worry about it
[01:01:24] it's kind of like
[01:01:26] never send a one through podcast guys
[01:01:28] I'm not a critic
[01:01:30] I was just trying to understand
[01:01:32] and sometimes it's me
[01:01:34] who just misses the point here so like that's why
[01:01:36] I'm asking I don't think it's a bad thought
[01:01:38] I think it's my safe space
[01:01:40] until it gets uploaded no one should hear it
[01:01:42] I think it's a stupid idea Bobby
[01:01:44] it made no sense
[01:01:46] everybody listening to this podcast
[01:01:48] is now dumber because of what you said
[01:01:50] there are no bad ideas
[01:01:52] except for that one
[01:01:54] I used to think that
[01:01:56] I know what you mean
[01:01:58] it's
[01:02:00] there is still a lot of development
[01:02:02] to be done on
[01:02:04] you're saying you want a proven guy
[01:02:06] who can develop an NHL caliber team
[01:02:08] that's kind of what I'm getting from what you said
[01:02:10] right so if you have more
[01:02:12] of these veteran guys been there done that
[01:02:14] you don't need to develop them
[01:02:16] they kind of know how to win and they pass
[01:02:18] that down to the younger guys
[01:02:20] which I think is what we thought would happen
[01:02:22] I mean look at this
[01:02:24] like an example
[01:02:26] let's say this team
[01:02:28] they just won a Stanley Cup
[01:02:30] and that's what Ruff wanted
[01:02:32] and he rides off the sunset with a Stanley Cup
[01:02:34] then you tell me you're going to bring a guy in like this
[01:02:36] I'm going to be a little more comfortable with that
[01:02:38] right so it was along those veins
[01:02:40] other than the fact that we had it absolutely terrible
[01:02:42] here's the thought
[01:02:44] what's the average age
[01:02:46] for the Stanley Cup winning coach
[01:02:48] and what's the youngest
[01:02:50] that's in the wheelhouse
[01:02:52] I don't know those numbers but I'm thinking back
[01:02:54] 34th pretty fucking young
[01:02:56] so like statistically
[01:02:58] you could break records there
[01:03:00] but you would be an anomaly wouldn't you
[01:03:02] with the coach that young
[01:03:04] I mean we wouldn't even want to be president
[01:03:06] but I don't know what it has to do with anything
[01:03:08] member Heinz was the first
[01:03:10] coach of the Devils
[01:03:12] that was younger than me and he got hired
[01:03:14] that didn't work out so well
[01:03:16] right and you know
[01:03:18] I might not have just been him but I get it
[01:03:20] I see what you're saying there I'm just thinking about
[01:03:22] anybody like who's the youngest
[01:03:24] Stanley Cup winning coach was
[01:03:26] Montreal Canadiens Claude Ruel
[01:03:28] and
[01:03:30] May 4th
[01:03:32] 1969 they beat
[01:03:34] the St. Louis Blues 3-1
[01:03:36] in the final
[01:03:38] and he was 30 years
[01:03:40] old and then
[01:03:42] wow this is pretty young but that's
[01:03:44] 69 that's like a total
[01:03:46] of a few hours ago
[01:03:48] and then he was
[01:03:50] 32 so let me try and get a little more
[01:03:52] you got anything
[01:03:54] from the 80s up
[01:03:56] 1970-1955
[01:03:58] but you also have to keep in mind 1918
[01:04:00] they only lived about 40
[01:04:02] this guy was a fucking senior citizen
[01:04:04] exactly that was what you got to figure out
[01:04:06] how about Dan Blisma
[01:04:08] oh he's fucking up there
[01:04:10] from Pittsburgh
[01:04:12] in 2009 he was 38
[01:04:14] okay
[01:04:16] yeah everybody else
[01:04:18] was 40s and 50s
[01:04:20] and there were some other coaches
[01:04:22] that had success and were younger
[01:04:24] like DeBoeber was younger
[01:04:26] right he didn't want to cop that but he always seems
[01:04:28] to bring teams
[01:04:30] up to it
[01:04:32] I don't want to get this guy 10 years early though
[01:04:34] he's gonna be great
[01:04:36] when he's 10 years later than with another team
[01:04:38] no there's never been a coach
[01:04:40] from 34 to 38
[01:04:42] to win a cup so
[01:04:44] that's something to keep in the back of your mind
[01:04:46] it's kind of like a meaningless statin' away
[01:04:48] because like who's saying
[01:04:50] 34 you can't win a cup
[01:04:52] so Michael come back to us with this right up in 4 years
[01:04:54] I think
[01:04:56] he's just not old enough
[01:04:58] he signed 3 old guys
[01:05:00] he'll be right after
[01:05:02] it was too hate seeing coaches jumping themselves
[01:05:04] right after John Tordarello and Peter Lobby let coach this team
[01:05:06] then we'll hire David Carl
[01:05:08] who probably will have coached 6 NHL teams by then
[01:05:10] but
[01:05:12] I think that
[01:05:14] the
[01:05:16] so what I guess the position of this show is
[01:05:18] just keep an eye on David Carl
[01:05:20] he could maybe move the needle somewhere
[01:05:22] I am
[01:05:24] anything else you guys
[01:05:26] so so far we're walking out of here
[01:05:28] with a rookie
[01:05:30] totally with 3 games
[01:05:32] with a rookie going with 3 games
[01:05:34] we have chased a lot
[01:05:36] we're good let's go
[01:05:38] but don't worry we also said we're gonna get
[01:05:40] we're gonna have Max Celebrini
[01:05:42] with a 3-0 goalie with 3 games
[01:05:44] NHL experience and a head coach that he never
[01:05:46] coached again the cup's coming back to Jersey
[01:05:48] you showed me one of their devil's podcasts
[01:05:50] with this guy
[01:05:52] you know what
[01:05:54] you can tell we are so far from the beginning
[01:05:56] of the season because we can just talk
[01:05:58] complete nonsense here that's
[01:06:00] maybe never gonna happen because
[01:06:02] reckless speculation is life size
[01:06:04] and it's fun but
[01:06:06] as you say keep an eye on David
[01:06:08] not to be
[01:06:10] thrown away with the trash
[01:06:12] I think he is a contender and should be in
[01:06:14] serious consideration for this head coaching
[01:06:16] job
[01:06:18] and if he were hired
[01:06:20] I think ultimately I would absolutely be okay with that
[01:06:22] because I know that a lot of smart hockey people
[01:06:24] listened to a lot of what he had to say
[01:06:26] and I would have you know
[01:06:28] I would have no gripes with it
[01:06:30] I'm gonna credit Michael D'Caro
[01:06:32] for sending us that
[01:06:34] and having you know that eloquence
[01:06:36] and the filter has this sewage dump
[01:06:38] up to the powers that be
[01:06:42] is that like a redundant thing
[01:06:44] is there such thing as a sewage dump
[01:06:46] I like it
[01:06:48] sewage dump
[01:06:50] sewage garbage goes
[01:06:52] alright on that I'm gonna go
[01:06:54] catch up on the national football league
[01:06:56] to 2024
[01:06:58] NFL draft
[01:07:00] so we will be back
[01:07:02] Bobby you're going to Florida this weekend
[01:07:06] we're going to Florida for the week
[01:07:08] by way of Myrtle Beach on the way down
[01:07:10] and trying to find out what's going on
[01:07:12] we're doing multiple stops
[01:07:14] not coming back next Sunday
[01:07:16] sweet
[01:07:18] so tomorrow
[01:07:20] well we're gonna go to sleep tomorrow
[01:07:22] but we're gonna get up at like four in the morning on Saturday
[01:07:24] and hit the road
[01:07:26] we'll text you know throw you in the group text
[01:07:28] and see any days that we're doing shows
[01:07:30] if you're in a hotel and you can get on your laptop
[01:07:32] you know hop on on
[01:07:34] yeah we're all Airbnb's
[01:07:36] we're staying
[01:07:38] by my wife's parent
[01:07:40] father-in-law
[01:07:42] so you know I do have the
[01:07:44] podcast on the phone
[01:07:46] and we will be back in probably a couple days
[01:07:48] so go over our schedule figure it out
[01:07:50] and we have some more stuff we'll get into
[01:07:52] and Bobby can hop on we can finally do a double you know
[01:07:54] we haven't done that in a couple weeks
[01:07:56] so we are the
[01:07:58] Uncle Puckers wherever you are listening to us
[01:08:00] they like a positive rate
[01:08:02] or five-star rating positive review
[01:08:04] a download a subscription really does help us out
[01:08:06] and promoting the little podcast that could
[01:08:08] for Dan and Bobby
[01:08:10] yeah jump on to the Uncle Puckers dot com
[01:08:12] right so review there that'd be great
[01:08:14] you know what give us a review on the Uncle Puckers dot com
[01:08:16] go check that out and this show will be up
[01:08:18] early tomorrow morning thank you so much
[01:08:20] for checking us out and Michael
[01:08:22] we really appreciate the hell out of you man
[01:08:24] that was an amazing write up
[01:08:26] so keep it coming and we'll see you when we see you
[01:08:28] fuck is out
[01:08:32] bye bye
[01:08:34] dude at work has been texting me
[01:08:36] the whole show about the draft
[01:08:38] I'm not even looking at it so
[01:08:40] yeah I'm recording it
[01:08:43] it's over Johnny
[01:08:47] it's over