Tickle Time With Tim

Chris (00:01)
What's up everybody? This is Chris from the Uncle Parker New Jersey Devil Podcast with Bob and special guest tonight Mr. Tim Wood of Devil Twitter fame. He's always up in there. So what's up, Tim?

Bobby (00:10)
Woohoo!

Tim Wood (00:16)
Hey, what's up guys? Fame's a little bit of a stretch, but I'll take it.

Chris (00:19)
Alright, you got it then.

Bobby (00:21)
Definitely one of the more knowledgeable people that we like to look forward to reading your posts. There's thought behind it, even though it's social media, you put some thought behind it, so that's good.

Tim Wood (00:24)
There we go, I appreciate that.

Chris (00:26)
definitely.

Tim Wood (00:30)
Yeah, I try and try and mix it up between some being being a wise ass and actually knowing what I'm talking about.

Chris (00:31)
Eh?

You do you found a happy medium because it works so and we have a couple of listeners that will email and like really long thought-out stuff Michael de Caro is another one Tim and stuff like just really smart fans, you know and then you know the other ones that are on X some of them are just You know like to just I guess Cause shit I should say, you know, but did everyone have a good Halloween?

Bobby (00:38)
I like the blend.

Tim Wood (00:40)
Yeah.

Bobby (01:03)
Good way of putting it.

Yeah, I had a great Halloween. My boy is 10 now. He the first time that he went out with just his buddies around the neighborhood. So I actually had to give out candy for the first time instead of just leaving the bucket. And I always wondered how long the bucket lasted. Was it just like the first group of kids? Judging by the amount of kids we got, it probably was just the first group of kids because we had a lot of kids rolling by. But it was a lot of fun.

Chris (01:12)
Mmm.

Tim Wood (01:18)
Okay.

You didn't do that where like you creep like, you know, a block behind them and like looking around trees and stuff like that.

Bobby (01:34)
Yeah, not this time, yeah. Go on.

Chris (01:35)
That's what I used to do. Yeah, that's totally what I used to do. Now my kids are too old. They don't go out. But I will tell you the other, was working on, cause here where we live, trick or treating is on the 30th because on the 31st is the big Halloween parade in downtown Tom's river. So ever since we were little, trick or treating is on the 30th. So what was that Wednesday? I was at work and my wife calls me up. She's like, yeah, I heard some

Kids like coming up to the door and so she quick put the dog out. Nobody rang the doorbell. She opened up the door. Some kids stole our fucking pumpkins right off the porch. I don't have a ring cam, but I need to get one now. What are you doing stealing people's pumpkins for Christ sakes?

Bobby (02:21)
Sounds like some 20 year old Uncle Puck or shit to me.

Tim Wood (02:22)
Especially with ring cams now.

Chris (02:23)
Yeah, that was bullshit, but how about you Tim? How was your Halloween?

Tim Wood (02:30)
I was pretty quiet. I told you guys this before, I live on a farm, know, like my driveway is a half mile long, you know, and so didn't really have any trick or treaters. My kids are older like yours and they live with their moms. So nothing really for me. It was Thursday. I have a golf cart that I drive down the highway. That's the best. It's like I can't like...

Chris (02:44)
What does it take you, like a half hour to get your mail? You gotta walk all the way down a half mile driveway? there you go. That's the way to do it.

Bobby (02:52)
nice those are popular

Tim Wood (02:57)
I just can't wait to move to Florida and just roll around in a golf cart like, like Maddie could chuck. Yeah. But yeah, so no real trick or treaters, but day after, actually yesterday, was it yesterday? It was yesterday. My nephew started as the college across career. So I went up to his school to watch his first game, which is pretty cool. So I only caught last night's game in bits and pieces and I'm pretty much pretty happy that that's all I caught.

Chris (03:00)
like Matthew Kachuk. Yeah. So did you guys?

Nice!

Bobby (03:17)
Very cool. Yeah.

Yeah.

Chris (03:24)
First two and a half periods were really good. You know, that was the thing. Like, did you watch the game,

Bobby (03:32)
I didn't watch game add family obligations, but I did watch the highlight package. I was also getting updates along the way. mean, I know what I need to know from it. know that Markstrom played a hell of a game and the rest of the team like they look like they were skating in mud from what I hear and a hell of a deflection by Coleman to get the scoring started there. Didn't really see if there was a breakdown on that first goal or anything specific, but yeah, move on.

Chris (03:52)
I don't agree with the team skating in mud aspect I thought that we took the game to Calgary pretty much the entirety of the game I mean we were in control Jack had two straight-up breakaways and with them both we had a couple of good

Bobby (04:10)
Well the second one looked like it was defended really well at the last second though. Like that stick just came in and interrupted him right there at the crease. Yeah. Yeah.

Tim Wood (04:15)
I think that was Kevin Ball, wasn't it?

Chris (04:16)
Yeah, it was Kevin Ball, who also shot that point shot that Coleman deflected. So once again, X Devils killing the Devils. It was tough. then it like we reverted back to last year, like we let the one in and then 22 seconds later, whatever it was, boom, the other one. And then at that point I was like, all right, there's just not enough time. It's not going to happen tonight. I turned it off and I put something else on. Then I flipped back just in time to watch the empty netter going. So

Tim Wood (04:27)
It's the prophecy.

Chris (04:46)
You you look at 12 goals in the last two games, right, between Anaheim and Vancouver, especially that Vancouver game start to finish. I'm thinking a good portion, 90 % of this game, I'm like, these fucking guys are going to roll out of here with two shutouts in a row going into fucking Edmonton. And, you know, that's all I was thinking. And then, yeah, just went to shit. I feel bad for Markey because you said he gave you a really good start and they just couldn't find the back of the net. It was frustrating.

Bobby (05:03)
Yeah.

Yeah, you know, he wanted that game to, you know, just too, too many little subtle stories behind that. Right. You know, the good gold tender goes, goes the other team, then they just beat us and all that kind of crap. But it was just one game inside of many and he did play great. So it's definitely not on him. And yeah, leading up to that game, like you said, I mean, Vancouver, what's not to like about that one? Like that was just complete domination and the players you scored. mean, the names you want to hear, he's your Mercer, Meyer, Pilat, Jack and Tatar, you know, yeah. So.

Chris (05:16)
Yeah.

Tim Wood (05:17)
Mm-hmm.

Chris (05:40)
Plot finally gets on the board.

Tim Wood (05:44)
.

Bobby (05:45)
I just it really was looking good there for a while going to that second game. I had all the confidence that we were going to win that Calgary game, but.

Chris (05:50)
Which just, they can't string three in a row together. They just can't. get two, I know they will, but Tim, what's your initial impression of the team so far in 13 games in or whatever?

Bobby (05:56)
They will.

Tim Wood (06:06)
You know, it's hard to nail down like exactly what they are. I think that they're going to be good and I think we'll get out of this. you point to all the early season issues, like the weird preseason schedule and then Prague and then, what do they say, nine games in 16 days. And Keith even mentioned they haven't rid, they've only had two practices at a time. And you were like, they're skate every day. But it's like,

Chris (06:25)
Yeah.

Tim Wood (06:32)
You really need those practices to get down the systems and get your reads correct and your routes correct in all three zones. know, and from what I've seen and kind of listen to on the broadcast, Bryce Howard does a pretty good job breaking this down is actually building in some actual structure within the offensive zone, you know, to run with the cycle. you know, when that gets a little bit disconnected, you know, that's kind of what you see last night, you know, of the pieces, bits and pieces that I call it, Bobby, I just call it a lot of highlights.

you Jack Barry's breakaway, maybe that's different, a different game. you know, there's a couple of two on ones also, but when you don't have your A game and you know, you even have your B or maybe your C game, which they might've had, you know, against Calgary, it was a pretty disappointing result, especially coming out of that Vancouver game because you know, the Western Canada road trip every single year, we're like, this is it. You know, we're going to go on the road and kick the shit out all these teams, know, right the ship. And it's just, it was just surprising. Honestly, I was surprised at that.

When I checked my phone, I was like, it's still zero zero. That's weird. At least Marshall can play well, guess. But yeah, that's really it. know, they go into Edmonton, know, no McDavid, know, dry sidles, proving that he's a good standalone guy as well. you know, if they beat Edmonton, I think I'll be kind of, I'll be pretty happy with the way this road trip wound up. But I'm still, still not entirely sure what exactly we have here. I think all the pieces are in place, the coaches in place, all that stuff, but just needed, just need to execute.

Bobby (07:33)
Yeah.

Chris (07:57)
I feel exactly the same way you do like watching the majority of that game yesterday and I'm said exactly what you were saying like these guys are good. They can be really good team if it all kind of comes together and it was so frustrating just not getting a point last night like that by you know 10 minutes left in the third you're just like just hold on and get that point get this thing overtime we can maybe have a shot.

Tim Wood (07:59)
I don't have any other answers to say.

Chris (08:23)
but the fact that they got away with nothing but you're right they beat Edmonton on Monday night that's four out of six points you can't really complain about that on the road trip you know so what are your kind of guess what are you looking for towards to start with Bob like in this Edmonton game like you know how do you think that's gonna go down

Bobby (08:33)
Now, we're pretty good.

I think they're going in the right direction. think that in general, they're picking up their game and games like Calgary are going to happen. I think, you know, Jack's coming around. think the team is getting more time together. I think this road trip was big. Yeah, what's up?

Chris (08:57)
don't mean to interrupt, but real quick, the other thing that really was kind of like I had in the back of my head when that game started, I'm Calgary lost four fucking games in a row. Like, they're better than that, you know? So you knew they were not, you know, they had a lot to play for that game, which I thought boded again, you know, didn't bode well for us, but go ahead, I'm sorry.

Tim Wood (09:16)
you

Bobby (09:16)
No, mean, basically done. think their legs are going to be flying. They keep getting these extra days off in between. Hopefully they are maybe getting a little practice time. Like Tim says, I think this game means a lot to them because of where they were with McDavid or without because Edmonton went so far last year. So I fully expect more like a Vancouver type effort. I don't know about the outcome being that extreme, but that's what I expect. Edmonton is going to play them hard. And you brought up dry sidle.

Tim Wood (09:22)
So, we'll next time.

Thank

you

Bobby (09:43)
It's not quite like the Crosby-Malcolm situation where wherever Crosby was out, Malcolm stepped way up because Dry Settle is like, he's almost right on par with McDavid, but it's a similar kind of thing, right? just, like, you don't miss a beat because this guy's just going to jump in and be the best player for now. Yeah, I expect full energy and I really do think they're going to come home with a win, you know, take two out of three.

Tim Wood (09:48)
Yeah,

Yeah.

One thing I wanted to add and this kind of over the last three games at Anaheim and then Vancouver and now Calgary is defensively that I think they've been very good. You know, they one of the big things that you're kind of taught, you know, defensively is is keep the team, you know, state yourself inside the dots and keep the guys outside and really kind of keeping keep a lot of pressure outside of the dots and really not really giving up a lot of.

a lot of really high danger chances. That was our bugaboo for last year and the year before. know, Vanechuk sucked, but we left that guy out to dry over and over and over again. And and really kind of, you know, with the the pairs coming around, Heshey, Heshey and Hughes really look like a very good pair together. Seagothal and Kova Sevich had a bit of a rough night against Calgary from what I saw from some of the numbers. But Dougie and Dylan have been kind of up and down a little bit. I think they're OK as long as

As long as Dougie can kind of rein himself in and kind of commit to that defensive responsibility. think our decor looks very solid and as long as these guys commit to that defense, like everything will kind of come out of that.

Bobby (11:10)
I like how Tim dropped the like a Benifer type thing with the with the Heshy, little huge pesky combination. I don't know. thought it was you, dude, that noise. Occasionally,

Chris (11:11)
What is that? What is that noise?

No, do you hear that right? That's not just me. Sounds like one of Tony's Halloween costumes. Halloween things that keep going off. But dude, Hamilton was the worst defenseman in the game yesterday. He really what he's becoming a like we talked about it, right? If he's not producing offensively, his bad defensive play is really noticeable. And you know, he's he's got to get better because I think everybody else like you said is playing

really good D and not just the defenseman like the team defense game so far you can really see where they're taking pride in it everybody is doing what they have to do if I hear Amanda Stein one more time in front of one of these guys talking about the four minute double minor that Brett took against Vancouver and Jack on the penalty kill that's the same question she what was it like seeing Jack out there on the penalty kill right how what was that like I don't mean to shit on her like she's got the best job in the world

Bobby (12:13)
you

Tim Wood (12:15)
Yeah.

Chris (12:16)
but like come on man like you add the they ask these guys these questions I'm not saying that I would have better questions to ask them I wouldn't but like how many like what you think about that when I was cool he plays hockey for us like he should be no okay like what do you want me to say like you know the god but yeah so.

Tim Wood (12:36)
She doesn't lead them into like thorough answers and literally the way they look at her is like, what are you saying? But we also saw Quinn open that ketchup packet when he got clipped by Brad. I saw that. There's, under his chin because he drew blood. why he got clipped. I was like, yeah, that's funny. Well, that joke didn't land. All right. It's all right.

Chris (12:41)
Yeah.

open the catch I don't know what you're talking about yeah that was such bullshit that was such bullshit and

Bobby (12:52)
yeah.

Chris (12:58)
Well, dude, I just worked 13 hours. I'm sorry. My brain doesn't work very well.

Bobby (13:03)
I was on to my next thought. This is not a well-oiled machine. Sometimes you just got to...

Chris (13:05)
But no, it's definitely not a well oiled But actually we can kind of piggyback that point about the double minor on Brat and stuff too. What happened with Bastion and Lombard last night. Did you guys see? Yeah, go ahead.

Tim Wood (13:05)
Yeah.

You

Bobby (13:20)
Yeah, let me preface that because we had somebody write in, a listener of the show. It's from Jdubs. wrote in, he actually wrote in on Twitter though. He said, what's up gents? Great job with the podcast. Thank you, Wieno. Not a great game. Couldn't get anything going offensively. It's going to happen from time to time, but it needs to be addressed if this team is still charm and soft, even with the additions, no recourse for Gudis and none here for Lumberg. Now again, I didn't see the entire game, but I checked out that fight.

Tim Wood (13:22)
Yeah, go over.

Bobby (13:51)
want to call it a fight how was Lumberg allowed to just sit there and pound on his chin like that I mean that was something I've never seen before.

Chris (13:59)
And the fact that Nate got the extra penalty was just okay. So, you know, what happened was, it was, Carter, right? So Carter gets a hit, gets hit, you know, he kind of goes down. He kind of gets sandwiched a little bit, but he, goes down onto his belly. Lomb, Lombard jumps on him, and basically like mushes him down to the ice. Bastion came in.

Gotta got pinned up against the boards. He was facing the boards like he could not get his arms out he couldn't turn his body and Lombard just starts fucking welling on him and now I guess he's got a busted jaw or something They said he had jaw problems. So, know that first of all bashing it look after last year with Rempey and and now like he's got a glass jaw Let's just call it a spade a spade this motherfucker can't take a punch So the fact that like we want him to be physical

Tim Wood (14:30)
Okay.

Bobby (14:46)
Yeah. Yeah. Stay away from that.

Well, we took 12, you know, for the hardest part, I mean...

Chris (14:53)
What? He could not protect himself. And then Lomborg starts, you know, getting out there. Danico was pissed about that. I don't know if you guys heard that because Lomborg starts, you know, giving, his arms up in the air to get the crowd going afterwards on his way to the penalty box. Danico was pissed. He's like, you just don't, you just, you just had a pretty decent scrap. Like you don't do that shit. Like that's just Bush league nonsense. And so he was pretty pissed about it, but I'm with you. Like that. Yeah, Tim.

Tim Wood (14:55)
the

Yeah.

Bobby (15:12)
Should be.

Tim Wood (15:13)
is serving.

Yeah, you know, saw, you know, I saw that I specifically watched that replay because I saw it blown up on Twitter. So was, you know, I would take a pretty dirty hit on Connor and what they caught him up by kind of drove his head to the boards. But the way he had Bastion pinned, he knew that Bastion couldn't get his arm out and he just continued to unload. Now, that being said, Warnberg is five foot nine and Bastion is six four. It's like, come on, like, you know.

Like you got this guy by foot and it just looked like Lombard's wires crossed like that was some real psycho bullshit that he was he was just throwing haymakers at him. Right? So I don't if you saw the pictures of Lombard when they're celebrating the cup with Florida that guy's that guy's built like a tank. But yeah, that was bullshit. But I wouldn't call this team soft like you know, that's

Bobby (15:57)
Those light weights can throw faster, guess. It's just rabbit punches.

Chris (16:01)
But it

Yeah, he is. He is.

That's what I was gonna ask you guys. You don't agree with that?

Tim Wood (16:17)
No, you know, we're I was just looking this up actually, because I saw we're leading the league in hits, even though we played most games, we're actually six in hits per game. So that's still a pretty, a pretty hefty number, particularly the four check with Nathan and Cotter. Like, I don't know, I feel like, you know, soft is such a great term, you know, because we're not like, like throwing out fights, like, you know, we don't we don't have a guy fighting all the time. You know, I know there's a subset of this fan base that particularly if you went into the Facebook

But there's a subset of the fan base that is like really bloodthirsty for like McDermott to get out there and just beat the shit out of people. And it's kind like that needs to be done in measured ways. We can't just throw a guy out to get five minutes and two minutes and suddenly have nine guys in the box and get scored on, especially in a 0-0 game. It's situational.

Chris (17:07)
Now, Sal and Dano had mentioned that, that if McDermott is in this lineup, they don't think that Lombard does that. They just thought him just being out there would be the deterrent enough that Lombard doesn't pull that shit. Now, I don't necessarily know if I agree with that. And again, I can say that here's the other thing, and I've said this a million times when it happens with other teams, so I cannot

have this double standard when it comes to the devils if somebody gets leveled with a clean hit that's hockey you don't have to drop the gloves every time somebody gets it i get good is took out brat it was not a dirty hit now you want somebody or not that was a little czar one that the do this i mean the brat hit was against what you call it was against tampa right when he got leveled behind the net

I think it was Tampa. Cause we were already getting blown out and I was annoyed that nobody stood up there only because to the fact that we were, we were getting our asses kicked. Any kind of energy would have been a good thing. and so, but I don't want them to drop the gloves every time somebody gets a hit, you know, measured fights, like look at the, the, think it was the Vancouver game, right? With Connor Clifton and Holla just had enough and they dropped the gloves and Holla beat the crap out of them.

which was fantastic to see and you know that's a good fight nice good fight I don't want to see fighting for the sake of fighting but that was Clifton was getting a little bit chippy he was you know really kind of getting on Hollis nerves he had had enough and he dropped the gloves and fought took care of his own business I like that with the this this Lombard thing that there wasn't so much a hit that was just dirty

Like you said, was Bush League shit. Like, you're wailing on this dude who cannot defend himself and now he's hurt. There should be some type of repercussion for that. That's not hockey.

Bobby (19:01)
Right.

Tim Wood (19:05)
The one thing I disagree with Sal and Dan about that McDermid being on the ice would be a deterrent. McDermid was literally on the ice when that when Lazar got hit, right? He was literally on the ice. Remember last year when Max Domey won after Nemec. He was literally standing right next to him. Didn't do anything. So it's like he's literally on the physical ice, not just on the bench. He was on the ice when this happened. So like, don't I don't know if I get like

Chris (19:26)
That's true.

Bobby (19:26)
Yeah.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying too, man. That's why, like Chris, you said, the team soft? I'll say, no, I don't agree that the team is soft either. don't begrudge J-Dub for saying soft. I get it because you're just kind of looking for a word to describe it overall. I think it still is what I mentioned a show or two ago. There's just still a culture shift that needs to happen within the team. There needs to be a little more of sticking up for each other. And again, not on a clean hit.

Tim Wood (19:57)
Let's.

Bobby (19:58)
That looks bad, but you know, as a clean hit, I don't care. You don't have to go fight that guy, but there needs to be a little bit more next step. When Jack got leveled, there needs to be something. When this guy's whaling out on him, a defenseless guy like that, I know they were trying to fight, right? But Basin literally couldn't fight. You know what? Somebody who's going to get a two minute instigator and draw another fight. That's the type of like just for a little while, not all the time, not on games you absolutely have to win or you're trying to come back. Certainly not in the playoffs and stuff. But from now forward, I just still think there needs to be a culture change that you can't.

You can't cross the line with us. It's not about being soft. The team isn't soft. Tim's right. I saw that too. They were as of a few days ago or maybe still right leading the league in hits despite like Nico hitting far less than he used to, you allowing him to do more often. So the team is tougher. The team is, is got a little more snarl, but it's not quite where I think it needs to be culturally to have teams just back the fuck off for a minute.

Tim Wood (20:41)
Thank

That's a very good way to put it. They need more stick up for each other-ness.

Chris (20:56)
And I wonder if some of that has to do with the fact that like you mentioned earlier Tim right the lack of practices the lack of you know really having the ample amount of time to install Sheldon Keefe system the way he wants to install it and we're kind of learning on the fly here as we go. I wonder how much of that will end up coming once they kind of get really comfortable with the system that they're playing and stuff and then that kind of will grow organically in the game I'm just saying are they thinking too much out there sometimes.

or do you think that or is it just you know just not there yet

Tim Wood (21:31)
Absolutely, and I think honestly that is a lot of what's going on with Dougie. You can see where he has to kind take, and he's never been good defensively. And Ruff's system that Green basically kind of kept and made a few tweaks to, was basically a strong side flood in the defensive zone where both D, like the weak side D, would be the first guy to support in the corner. was like nobody in...

has ever played this like it's be unheard of to try to like launch on like a bunch of pbs or something like that but that was their system and it was predicated on exactly and it worked for us the first year because it was predicated on winning the puck battle getting the puck out of zone and running down in transition and we that's why we surprise the shit out of everybody once they figured that out that's when we became so susceptible to high danger chances because

Chris (22:03)
He's doing it in Buffalo.

Tim Wood (22:23)
And particularly the slot line passes and kind of cross cross crease passes is because once that puck pops out and you don't have the personnel winning those puck battles, the puck goes across and Vana checks. So now we have a little bit more of like what seems to be and I haven't totally kind of figured it out yet. What seems to be more of a normal D zone system, but I can see sometimes Dougie cheating to the strong side. If he's a weak side defender, see him cheating to the weak side because he's still so trained.

Chris (22:52)
Right.

Tim Wood (22:52)
couple years to be that first support guy for the convention. has to think and to make a decision to go back to his side. that's kind of a microcosm of that, I think, but most importantly, I think that we know.

Bobby (23:03)
So Tim that's a that's a great take so let me ask you what I posted Chris the last show would you be up for a reunion with Seigenthaler and him do you think it would help at all or is this more a Hamilton problem.

Tim Wood (23:15)
Yeah, I actually think that is a move that they should do. They should put him and Sikandthal together, Kovacevic and Dillon. Like Kovacevic had, he's been great and a revelation, like, but he's been a career six, seventh guy, you know, like there's a reason for that. And it's, it's hysterical that Montreal is now looking for a right-handed defense. They're like, we're on the market for a right-handed defense.

Bobby (23:37)
Yes.

Big right hand defense, we're gonna get one of those.

Tim Wood (23:42)
Yeah, so of course the Habs are like offering us, know, Josh Anderson for Simon Nemich. It's like, all right, like stop. But I yeah, I think a lot more than that. I think you Dylan Kovacevich together, you can kind of limit their minutes. Seegs and Doug East. Seegs has been just, what an absolute rock that guy has been so far this year. Like he's been our by far best defensive defenseman. There's a chart floating around. I don't know where it's from that shows that he's been.

Bobby (23:48)
back it up.

Chris (23:48)
We need a little more than that.

Yeah.

Tim Wood (24:09)
the best defensive defenseman by game score, think, in the league.

Chris (24:13)
Right.

Bobby (24:13)
And that's fascinating if that can continue because I think we all know what we're going to get with Pesci and Hughes. I think that's just going to be a fantastic defensive line too when it all starts to settle. So having Seagenthal are still playing at that level like did a couple years ago. It's just, that's just a bonus, man.

Chris (24:19)
Dude

Tim Wood (24:19)
Yeah.

Chris (24:27)
I don't ever want Pesci and Hughes separated. just think they're on the verge of being a fantastic... Who'd I say? Did I say Pesci? Hesci. I like that. How about Pews?

Tim Wood (24:28)
Yeah.

No.

Bobby (24:33)
Heshy? Sorry Tim. No, Tim blended them to Heshy first time.

Tim Wood (24:35)
Heshy Heshy That's a nice name for her

Yeah.

Bobby (24:43)
That's on the edge there.

Chris (24:45)
But you know, I love that tandem. I mean, I like so much about this team and even last night with the Calgary game, they won all the board battles. I mean, the only time that they turned it over in their own zone to keep on shitting on number seven, but Dougie was the main dude who just, you know, a couple of times he coughed it up, but everybody else had, you know, they were on the boards, they were beating the flames to the puck, they were making the nice outlet pass and they were starting to rush the other way. Calgary didn't give them a ton.

You know, like the neutral zone got clogged up quick and there wasn't a ton of offensive opportunities for the Devils. know, there were some breakdowns, especially during Calgary's power play. The Devils penalty kill has been stellar. And I love that that Keefe has no problem putting just dudes out there. I like the way Keefe is always setting himself up for offense.

Tim Wood (25:19)
Yeah.

Chris (25:40)
Alright, so if there's a whistle and there's, you know, 25 seconds left in the penalty kill, let's get Hughes out there because as soon as that penalty kill is over, we can go to the offense. I like that. I really like the way that Mercer has been playing. This dude has been an unsung hero on this team. He's been playing fantastic. And, you know, I do think, agree with you guys, it's only a matter of time until it starts really clicking and they take off. But I just...

Tim Wood (25:41)
Mm-hmm.

Bobby (25:45)
Laying it,

Chris (26:08)
was really hoping this West Coast trip was gonna be it.

Bobby (26:13)
Well, big game coming up and then we'll see.

Chris (26:15)
Well.

Tim Wood (26:15)
Yeah, and you know, to go back to the Pesci thing, I made a joke on Twitter that Pesci just makes me feel like that girl who's going to be okay. mean, like just that guy just, just, you know, he made like every time I see him on the ice, it's just kind of like everything's going to be okay. Like this guy is just fucking kicks ass, man. Like there's one penalty killer. He just got down on one knee, blocked like three shots in a row. I'm just like, I fucking love this guy.

Chris (26:25)
right it's so true though

Bobby (26:27)
Yeah, I love it

Chris (26:31)
Yep.

Yep. Yeah, like it was nothing.

Bobby (26:38)
Yes.

That's the one that's the play I saw Chris that made me use the word technician on the next day's podcast like it was just perfect.

Chris (26:47)
And you know,

Tim Wood (26:47)
Yeah, like, and that two on one a couple games ago that he broke up where he baited him into a pass. It's like, man, this... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bobby (26:54)
That's THE play I was talking about when I called the technician.

Chris (26:56)
And you're gonna see Hughes is defensive game start really elevating now just playing with this guy it's you know you you don't want to be that weak link you know and he's gonna learn so much I just think I love that she's gonna be on this team for a nice handful years but yeah.

Tim Wood (27:03)
Mm-hmm.

But about the soft kind of stick up for each other thing. Like also that's what these road trips do, man. Like these guys, you know, we do have a lot of new faces, you know, like Dylan and, you know, Cotter and a couple of guys and like it's getting out together, getting on the road. Maybe they go, went on and got a little fucked up in Calgary, you know, maybe they maybe they went to some cowboy bars or something. you know, like, but like that's what that's what brings a team together. I my college team, we were like, like 0 and 5 or 0 and 6 going about to go on the road.

Chris (27:21)
Yeah?

It's very possible, you know.

Tim Wood (27:43)
And we just told our coaches like we're going out and we went out, just got annihilated together at the best time. And then we went on like a six game winning streak. So I was just like, it's just, it just does things to bring guys. Honestly, you know, I mean, I think it's science.

Chris (27:51)
That's it.

Bobby (27:55)
Here we go ladies and gentlemen, bender first winning streak after.

Chris (27:57)
Wait, look, you go to those old...

It most definitely is I think I heard Neil deGrasse Tyson wrote his wrote a thesis paper on it how Alcohol alcoholism brings professional teams together what? Look I played enough I played I played enough drunk hockey to know that's not true Bobby But I have to say though Like you go to those old 95 2000 teams the Loo teams and stuff like those guys

Bobby (28:07)
It's my science, Tim, so we're here.

It enhances athletic performance too, I've been told. I could be wrong. I could be wrong.

Tim Wood (28:20)
You

Bobby (28:24)
Yeah, it's definitely not true.

Chris (28:33)
And then most of the time they had to do it all in secret because Lou was such a fucking stickler for everything You know, like they would have to like, you know sneak out of their hotel room You know bribe the fucking the hotel bar to stay open a few extra hours So they can just pound them down and then make sure that they get back up in their room before Lou comes knocking on doors I do want to talk about some of the other teams throughout the NHL and get your thoughts on them But first we'd have to have a little housekeeping, right?

Bobby (29:04)
Keeping. You want live read?

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Tim Wood (29:04)
We'll keep in.

Bobby (29:20)
think that's kind of a behind the scenes thing, that part there.

Tim Wood (29:26)
Wait, tell me more.

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Bobby (30:30)
same podcast. Yeah, let's go.

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Long reeds.

It'll get better, probably. Maybe. Not.

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There's two more people.

Tim Wood (32:09)
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He was very excited.

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Chris (32:28)
I hate my voice.

Tim Wood (32:29)
I might have to get a spunky pink color or something like that.

Chris (32:32)
You fucking prick.

Bobby (32:37)
There it is again.

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Chris (34:33)
You

You can really put a little bit more into game time, Bobby. I think so. I think you're just phoning that shit in. Come on.

Tim Wood (34:55)
where I go for all my temples.

Bobby (34:57)
You think so? Alright. I do like to change it up.

Chris (35:03)
That's like 15 cents you're leaving on the table.

Tim Wood (35:04)
Game Time's actually a pretty good ticketing app. And then they're good for tickles too.

Chris (35:08)
They are great. How much do I get off the tickles?

Bobby (35:09)
They are very good for tickles.

I'll... 20 dollars.

Chris (35:13)
refund 110 % if I'm not fully satisfied with my tickle.

Tim Wood (35:15)
110 % back, didn't you hear?

Bobby (35:20)
Or you will be fully satisfied with your tickle.

Chris (35:21)
Guys, the Washington Capitals are really scaring me.

Tim Wood (35:26)
haha

Bobby (35:26)
sucks.

Chris (35:27)
I they they they can't they lose I mean they're they're really scary and I am like you know thinking about the fact of when all these games catch up with us and we no longer have the twenty five games in hand that we do that they're gonna be you know the team that we had really watch out for what do you guys think about Washington.

Bobby (35:48)
Yeah, looking at him now. I don't know. I still don't know why they're that good. All year I've been waiting for them to fall off. I mentioned it all summer. Yeah, I just don't get it. mean, Ovechkin scoring again, but other than that, he's not the Ovechkin he used to be. He kind of sits in his little purse there, shoots the puck hard. I just don't know why. I keep waiting for them to fall off. And it looks like I'm going to sound stupid for this one because I don't know if they're going to.

Chris (35:56)
That's a great question. Why are they that good?

Dude, I had them last in the Metropolitan Division. How stupid do I look? They might win the fucking thing.

Bobby (36:17)
Good, worse than me, thank God.

Tim Wood (36:19)
So last year I made a couple friends to the pool and I picked them to actually make the playoffs and they did. This year I thought they would again if, cause they're like this island of misfit toys, right? Like they got PLD, like everybody's kind of like, this is like his fifth last chance. Chikrin who's a psychopath, who, you know, he's like raw liver. He's like the liver king basically.

Bobby (36:28)
good pick.

Chris (36:34)
Hmm.

And he's always her.

Tim Wood (36:48)
He's a total wild card. And they're like the two guys like, like trade targets over the summer that like, everybody's like, where are they going to go? And they wound up on the same team. But you kind of look at some of like the young players that they have, like they have this protist kid who's like six, six, two fifties, a fucking tank. And he's scoring on Mick Michaels. He's actually a really good player coming up. You know, always OB. Strom somehow continues to be one of the most underrated.

Chris (37:04)
McMichael.

You know.

Dylan Stroms

Tim Wood (37:15)
like skilled centers, they have good pieces and Carberry, you you guys should be looking at Carberry and like me, like my bald brother, actually that's like every coach in the NHL these days, but he's a phenomenal.

Chris (37:16)
He's playing so good.

Hmm.

Bobby (37:25)
haha

Chris (37:29)
Carberry wears it well though, you don't want to look like Jim Montgomery or the fucking, who's the head coach of, I don't mean to interrupt you, my god, we just played them. Detroit, who is that?

Tim Wood (37:34)
You

Detroit.

Detroit.

Bobby (37:43)
Yeah, it is a trick.

Tim Wood (37:44)
Yeah, it's a guy from Despicable Me.

Chris (37:46)
Yeah, he looks just like fucking Groot or whatever his name is. Groog, Groog. He looks just like him! And he even has like a little bit of mini-me from Austin Powers in him. But you know, just like the face, but Groot, the fucking pointy nose, he looks just like him! I was... Holy shit.

Bobby (37:48)
Yes, group, yeah, yeah.

Tim Wood (37:51)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

It's hilarious. Yeah. I think and they also have two good goalies too. that's, know, like Logan Thompson was a guy that I thought we could take a look at going after, you know, we had our sights set on, you know, combined 70 year old goalies, but they have two really good goalies. They have a pretty good decor. Carlson's still good. Chickren's good. Like Van Riemsteig is pretty good. The other guy's name. I forgot a couple of their other names, but

Chris (38:09)
I was not.

Bobby (38:20)
You

Tim Wood (38:33)
They're not all that bad and Wilson's a fucking menace, you know, so it's like, you know, they they have they have the pieces in place They have a good coach and once you start winning then, you know The thing it just starts rolling downhill for you. And I think that's what's happened to them That being said, I do think they're come back to reality I don't think they're like they played ten games. We played 14, right and

Chris (38:36)
Yeah, he's a beast.

That's what I was just gonna ask. Is it sustainable?

Tim Wood (38:59)
You know, again, this early season, like it's hard to say because, we played so many more games, but I do think things are going to normalize a little bit. like, you know, that Thanksgiving barometer, like I think, you know, by then, you'll have a pretty good idea. And it will be, you know, Carolina is good. Rangers are good. We're good. And the capital is good. And think that's going to be the top four. If you look at the bottom, like Pittsburgh is fucking atrocious. Columbus is better than they could be. And I would love nothing more than to see Columbus.

fighting for a playoff spot.

Chris (39:30)
I want them to do.

Bobby (39:31)
They're playing, they're just playing free, it seems like. know, they're playing like, it's house money at this point. We're not supposed to be anything. And they're playing well. Ish.

Chris (39:37)
The problem is...

Tim Wood (39:40)
It'd be cool to help if they made the playoffs like fuck it like fuck Washington. Like I'm actually in a Washington Capitals household right now. So I gotta be cool. I know. But I would love nothing more than to see Columbus sneak in there. But Philadelphia sucks like Mitch Goff's the only guy they have. The Penguins fucking suck. and the Islanders like I don't think they're ever going to score a goal again.

Chris (39:46)
really? Yeah, that's rough.

Bobby (39:48)
Sorry.

near Philly.

Chris (40:00)
And that's...

I think they put four up yesterday or today. Yeah, exactly. yeah, they just, you know, I just I'm so surprised. I think they get on now, Tim. I don't I think it's crazy. I completely fucking forgot my thought. Holy shit. Yeah, that's all right.

Tim Wood (40:08)
Okay, after today, then fine, smarty pants.

Bobby (40:09)
after to you.

The Uncle Pucker's with Chris, Bobby, and Tim. Sorry fellas.

Tim Wood (40:20)
you

you

Bobby (40:29)
That was my fault.

Tim Wood (40:30)
No, I did it. I'm good at throwing people off their game.

Chris (40:32)
Yeah, I'm completely thrown off. I don't remember what I was gonna say. The Rangers are scary. They look really friggin good. You know, I just I can't wait to get those guys. Carolina is surprising the hell out of me. Like we really didn't know what to make of Carolina. Apparently getting rid of Pesci and Shea made them now they can score a ton of fucking goals. Like I didn't they put up like eight against Ottawa or was it not? No, Montreal the other night. Put a fucking eight. When's the last time the Canes put the eight up?

Bobby (41:00)
In our defense, yeah, in our defense, we didn't shit on Carolina. I think I know they scored eight against somebody recently. Yeah. But we weren't shitting on them when we were like picking the standings. We were just moving them down because we really didn't know like where else they can go. But down. Right. I still think at the end, they should it should be like Rangers Devils them. But they're really looking good again.

Chris (41:03)
Was it the Canes that did it to them or was that Washington? They did source of aid against somebody. I don't remember

Tim Wood (41:09)
Yeah.

Chris (41:14)
didn't know what they were gonna be.

Yeah, which means...

Tim Wood (41:25)
Yeah, Carolina's a Carolina honestly, Carolina is like a win for the spreadsheet boys like they you know, they're run by an analytics group, you know, they're running like their main guy like was like an analytics blogger, their GM now, guy looks like he's like, I think he has like a like a PhD in biochemistry or something. Wow, like that. They're put together on a spreadsheet and they're in me put that into a system like brodo or course, Brendan Moore's wish.

Chris (41:31)
Absolutely.

Yes he does.

Tim Wood (41:51)
is man-to-man in the D-zone. Nobody really plays man-to-man. Brandon Moore does, which is an exhausting system, which is why I think they kind of crap out in the second round of playoffs every year. But it's really interesting. I think they're kind of a bit of an analytic science project right now. Like that's really what they are. But yeah.

Bobby (42:08)
You think they're sustainable? Yeah.

Tim Wood (42:12)
I don't see why it wouldn't be, you know? mean, they're probably, you know, they seem like a team that isn't going to ever be too high, like get really way too high and really way too low. Like, like that's the devils right now. Like we're having really like wild peaks and valleys. The Rangers are just at their peak. The Caps are at their peak. The Caps are in the Carolinas kind of just, just putting it along.

Bobby (42:25)
Yeah, peaks and valleys like crazy, yeah.

Chris (42:32)
Well, Carolina's been a picture of consistency for the last 10 years. That's just who they are. You just, always know they're going to be good and you know, but this year I really thought they were going to take a bigger step back. I also thought Washington was a fluke too. And I thought Pittsburgh was going to be the team to kind of make a little bit of that wild card run in the Metro. And I'm completely off base on all them. So see what I fucking know. What was that?

Tim Wood (42:41)
Yeah.

Good thing you run a hockey podcast, right? It's a good thing you run a hockey podcast.

Chris (43:03)
my god, this is just for fun.

Bobby (43:04)
This is just for show.

Tim Wood (43:07)
But no, I don't think anybody saw how, I mean maybe a couple people did, but Pittsburgh's fucking awful.

Chris (43:12)
God I feel so bad for Sidney Crosby. I mean he's got to be sitting here now going wait Why did I sign this extension? I remember what I was gonna say before it was about Lou. I was gonna say that I really cannot believe how Much the game has passed Lula Amorella by that, you know He nobody had a pulse on the NHL when he was general manager of the Devils and he also had a hand in turning Toronto around as well so I mean this guy has had nothing but

Tim Wood (43:16)
Yeah.

Hmm?

Yeah.

Bobby (43:30)
Yeah.

Chris (43:41)
success everywhere, whether he's coaching up in New England or he's, you know, running teams. But dude, you knew three years ago, this team was too old. You knew you had to inject some kind of youth and some kind of excitement into this team. And he never did. And now, I mean, we talked about it over the summer. There were a few teams like Pittsburgh was one, Boston was another, you know, the,

Islanders that sometimes that age cliff comes up really quick and you might say, know, yeah We made the playoffs last year But didn't you hit that fucking wall and you just become a bunch of old men out there and the Islanders are definitely looking like that So the Boston Bruins to be honest

Bobby (44:23)
So the bro, I was just gonna say, we gotta talk about them too. Yeah, they're definitely below at least my expectations.

Tim Wood (44:25)
Yeah. Yeah. And with the islanders, they wrap that up, know, losing Barzol just got hurt and losing DeClair, losing DeClair, you know, those are, those are, you know, those are their two first line guys. Like those are, those are back breaking injuries. You know, they, you know, they reluctantly had to bring Engvall back up, know, which who Patti Wodge is absolutely fucking crazy.

Chris (44:32)
Yeah, he's out for a while.

Yeah, and sign Martin again, know, I mean, yeah, but like, but they had Barzell there since, you know, up until a couple games ago. I think he only had like one goal. So, I mean, he wasn't, yeah, the Anthony Duclair thing hurts him because he might be their best, you know, all around player.

Tim Wood (44:57)
stuff.

Bobby (44:58)
Yeah. But even with them it's kind of what we said throughout like the summer everything they just feel like kind of like purgatory level team they're just kind of there in the middle they have no true trajectory up there probably gonna go down.

Chris (45:11)
And you that's it right you you you can't see a way they go up it's like you know just except it's just completely overachieving on every single you know line that there there just no room for them to go up where like Washington injected not just youth into their lineup they injected guys that were playing in Hershey where they just won to the last two Calder cups like these guys went through playoffs they know how to win yes on a

Bobby (45:16)
right.

Tim Wood (45:34)
It's a good thing.

Chris (45:36)
A smaller scale but the HL is a real fucking league and you know really good players there so these guys are winners and they're coming injecting that like Pittsburgh Boston and the islanders just didn't do that.

Tim Wood (45:50)
It's kind of interesting looking at the compare and contrast between what Washington did and what Pittsburgh did in terms of, you know, the, kind of OV Crosby rivalry, right? Like how, how Washington was like, all right, so we're not just going to write out of action as Goldstrips. We're actually going to try to actively bring in pieces to kind of really retool. Like, you know, there's, there's a rebuild retool kind of keep going. And Pittsburgh just, they had no cash and they're kind of seem rudderless and have no plan.

I was saying the same with the Islanders, like you said with Lou, like I love Lou to death for what he brought to the Devils, but he wrote us into the ground in the last couple of years, lost sight of the league, lost sight of the salary cap, didn't know how to manage it. That cobalt truck deal as kind of funny as it was, like that really kind of fucked us over pretty badly. So, you know, then he ran out of Toronto when, you know, left them kind of a bit of a mess as well. And now he's doing the same thing in the Island.

Chris (46:37)
Sure did.

Now, what happens there? Does the owner step in and say that Lou's the problem or do they just give Lou the keys and he ends up going behind that bench? Because that's what he's going to end up doing next. He'll fire Wah and go back down there. And I honestly believe that at this point, don't know, to get another coach in there, I just don't know what happened. I don't think Wah's doing a bad job. I just think that Lou, it might be time to hang him up.

Bobby (47:17)
cold down there. don't want to go down there anymore. You get colder when you get older.

Chris (47:20)
I just think he's...

Tim Wood (47:21)
Lou is over 80. Like what the fuck is he doing, man? Like he should go, he should be getting his mail with a golf cart, not me. Like what, what's he about? But I think, I think Lou goes before Patty Wados.

Chris (47:24)
I don't know.

Yeah, you're not kidding. And you know, he'd be great too. That's what I'm asking. You think Lou goes before Wah?

Bobby (47:29)
No.

Tim Wood (47:37)
Yeah, and well, you know, there's there's been some some internet chatter and a couple other podcasts. Sorry, I was cheating on you guys, but I have said that. Yeah, no, they're not as attracted, not as attracted. You can't rub their heads.

Bobby (47:46)
for shame. they better? They're better, right? They're probably better. A little bit. Is production value at least better?

Chris (47:47)
Yeah, I'm sure they are. It's fine. It's not just a couple of bald guys just dicking around for an hour in their fucking basement. Yeah. Hey, we're so good our guys are fucking not even want to show up anymore. Yeah.

Bobby (47:59)
There used to be four of us.

Tim Wood (48:03)
Where's guy who lives in Lithuania? the hell? I don't know. You guys have four ad-rees now. What they doing? Yeah, there you go. Look at that ad. Look at those ads, So when Wa was coaching in juniors, he was the owner, GM, and coach, right? So he had full control over everything.

Bobby (48:05)
They're just laying in their beds collecting checks, Tim. They're like, this Uncle Pucker money's great.

Chris (48:12)
You're not kidding. We're moving up. That's even like more reason to turn us off.

Bobby (48:13)
Shit, got some mid rolls in there too, brother.

Yeah, now it's annoyingly long. good for them, they're making money. No, we're not.

Tim Wood (48:29)
He blew himself out of Colorado in a fight with the GM and now it's kind of trending that same way. So I don't know if he's a guy. There may be a situation where I think lose like, you know what, like I'm out. I doubt that'll happen. He never seems like that kind of guy, but I.

Chris (48:40)
Wait.

Are you saying that that these maybe these owners got involved with Patty Wa and Nate? mean, I'm shocked that you're saying why is erratic and has a bad temper and maybe doesn't play well with others like that is that's his fucking M.O. like that's how he's always been. You can't be surprised when you hire him as a coach and you see that they're butting heads like that's why he's going to butt heads with everybody.

Bobby (48:57)
Yeah.

Tim Wood (48:57)
I'm sorry.

I know, yeah, if it acts like a duck or walks like a duck and talks like a duck, But I can see that happening, know, blah, sticking around. I don't know, you know, who's a more iconic name in hockey and who's like, and that depends on, know, who's the owner these days? It's not Charles Wang anymore, is it? I have no idea.

Chris (49:09)
Right. It's a law.

Sure.

except in New Jersey.

I have no idea who owns them. They were actually talking about it on the Boomer and Geo show this morning, or a week or so ago. Like the one, Geo, think it was, drunk dialed the owner of the Islanders before the Ranger game or something. And he was like, know, hey man, go get him. He was all fucked up. And he's like, the next morning, did I just, like, dial a fucking billionaire?

Bobby (49:28)
I don't know.

Chris (49:56)
You tell him let's fucking go and all this stuff. He's like, yeah, so yeah, they were talking about but I don't remember who he is. But yeah, that's a team that I they're done. They're done there.

Bobby (50:07)
I think in the ultimate show of respect, even though it doesn't happen much in sports anymore, it will be Lutagobble over the summer. Like it's going to be like after. Yeah, I think they're just going to go through the year and then quietly part ways. it's, you I just.

Chris (50:15)
You think he makes it through this year?

Okay, you're saying Patrick Wa stays and Lou stays. Okay, till just this year.

Bobby (50:27)
Yeah, I think they're gonna ride it out.

Tim Wood (50:27)
Yeah, or lose Ruthless, man. He'd just be like, fuck you, Patrick Wall. I don't give a shit about you. Get the fuck out of my team.

Chris (50:31)
I will coach this fucking team. I will go coach this team. I'm telling you, I think that's what's gonna friggin happen. He's crazy enough to do it. Does Jim Montgomery make it too much longer if he doesn't turn this thing around up in Boston?

Bobby (50:32)
Yeah, Lou might let him go, yeah.

Tim Wood (50:40)
Yeah, I can see that.

Bobby (50:49)
Given his track record, probably, because I think Boston could be sitting there all year going, no wait, it's going to happen. No wait, it's going to happen. Then next thing know, it's April, and you're like, shit, it didn't happen. Yeah, waited too long. I think they're going to be that kind of patient. He probably deserves it too. mean, they've been on top of the league for a while.

Chris (50:57)
Yeah, that was us last year.

Tim Wood (51:04)
Dave? Dave?

Chris (51:09)
I don't know, he inherited a fucking team that went, you know, historically a fantastic year and then it's been kind of downhill ever since. So what do you think, Tim?

Tim Wood (51:09)
They're a bad team.

They're, they're, they're slow. They're, they're not a very good team. I don't think like I watched a couple of their games, but just kind of out of like morbid curiosity, be like, what the hell's going on with these guys? And you know, they just don't seem very good. You know, they, have no center depth. You know, their, their D is kind of questionable behind McAvoy. Like, I don't know who the hell any of these guys are. You know, they're running Pavel Zaka out there in the top six. Like, yeah.

Bobby (51:48)
tearing it up.

Tim Wood (51:49)
You know, you know, these these missing goals by three, four feet, you know, it's it's I don't think they're very good. And I think, you know, this is the same kind of thing you were just saying, Chris, where it's a guy, you know, a team that suddenly just just fell off a cliff, you know, that not necessarily the age cliff, but suddenly, you know, a couple of guys left and, you know, Bergeron left and Marshawn's a different kind of leader. And that was the Bruins culture really kind of flowed through Bergeron. feel like now there are a couple of years removed from that.

Chris (52:03)
Yeah.

Tim Wood (52:20)
that kind of culture is gone and that's a huge part of it.

Chris (52:24)
And they keep on losing too, like that's the other thing. Marshawn is always been like, you know, he's great if everything is going good and he has that, you know, Bergeron on top of him, you know, the Alphas there. I kind of feel like he's still a bit of a madman. And if things aren't going well, I can see he's the type of dude, I hope I'm wrong. But if he starts going a little bit with Montgomery back and forth, that they start have disagreements about certain things, that whole locker room will end up in fucking disarray.

It really will.

Tim Wood (52:55)
Yeah, it's almost like a leadership void. And when you're used to a very specific type of leadership for so long, and then a different kind comes in, it kind of may fracture the room a little bit. I don't know, I'm speculating. I don't see any other reason why they could be that bad, except you look kind of up and down in Rwanda and you're like, who the fuck are these guys? Like, they're not good.

Chris (53:00)
Yeah.

I didn't think the Lindholm deal was a great deal to bring him in last summer.

Tim Wood (53:22)
Yeah, and you know, I see people bitching about Zadorov every game. He's taking four, six minutes of pallies every game. But there's so many teams right now that were supposed to be super good that are kind of middling or just fucking bad. Like Nashville, I don't know what happened to them, but they were supposed to come out of the gates hot and they were pretty bad.

Chris (53:43)
I feel bad for Andrew Burnett. I mean, he's trying everything he can, but it's kind of hard when you just have, I guess, with that many superstars. And I don't know if it's just everybody's trying to do it too much. If everybody's just kind of deferring to the superstar next to them a little bit, but there's just, there's no, again, I mean, they're all new guys, a lot like the devils, a lot of new guys in there. And the guys they brought in are alphas. That sometimes can be a problem.

Tim Wood (54:07)
Thank

Chris (54:12)
When you have, you know, Forsberg and Roman Yossi that have been there for a long time and they lead that team and now Marchesot is here and Stamkos is here. I don't know. mean, it's, I think they're, I thought they were going to be better. I did not have them like everybody else saying that the, team is going to win their division. They're going to win, you know, win the Stanley Cup. thought, and I thought that if they didn't do it in the next two years, they're going to be the Boston Bruins by then. So they, they need to.

try and win this thing now. I mean, what do you guys think the problem is down there?

Tim Wood (54:45)
I mean, I think one of the main things, and this is kind of sort of under the radar thing that I heard about and actually checked out is Stamkos' production at 515 has been brutal for the past, for like longer than a year. So he's really only been propped up by his powerplay numbers. And when you're playing on a powerplay with Kuturov, those numbers are going to be through the roof. Like Kuturov, Stamkos.

Chris (55:07)
How many power play goals did he have last year? Do you know? Sure Bobby, you can look that up. Cause he scored what, 40 last year, right? Like if he had in the twenties on the power play, that's like a bit of a red flag, right? If more than half of his production came on the man advantage, you would think that that's a, so like he said, Tim, that's a, that is a bit of a red flag that his five on five production has just gone down to the shitter.

Tim Wood (55:13)
Let's see.

Bobby (55:15)
Looks like Tim's on it.

Tim Wood (55:17)
He scored four in the end.

Yeah, so, you know, I mean, that's just one kind of anecdotal thing. I haven't watched them play at all. Like it didn't look like Saros was hurt. That's a lot of power play. You know, Saros, I don't think has been been himself. So of all the teams that have started out slowly or badly, I think they're going to be fine. But, know, it's getting late early for them. know, Colorado, on the other hand, their entire forward forward.

Bobby (55:41)
19.

Chris (55:41)
19 goals on the power play? That's a lot. Half. Yeah.

Bobby (55:44)
Yep. Half.

Chris (56:00)
Yeah.

Tim Wood (56:05)
you know, is on the shelf. they're...

Chris (56:06)
That's us last year, know, there's nothing you can do. know Bednar's a great coach, you know that they have great leadership, and the reason they're not winning is obvious. They don't have anyone in their lineup, and that just sucks to see because I really like that team. I wish they were healthy and competitive, but they'll win their share of games.

Tim Wood (56:24)
Yeah, you know, it's.

I think they'll be okay. I Georgie has kind of an awful goalie, but they just picked up our boy Kapokokanen, so we'll see how he does.

Chris (56:35)
Yeah, I see you got his first start the other day. Did bad.

Alright well, before we wrap it up for tonight, one- well I'm sorry Tim, go ahead.

Tim Wood (56:42)
Yeah, but I think, you know, I think that eventually, you know, the cream will rise to the crop, you know, the cream will rise to the top. That's my way.

Chris (56:49)
And the crop, you know, both probably. I mean, you're really expecting a lot out of them. Steven Stamkos and a crop top. All right. This thing's got off the rails. Quick question before we finish up. You got something, Bob? All right, Bobby, you go first. No, no, no, go first.

Bobby (56:50)
Agreed. Crop and top.

Tim Wood (56:54)
Out top.

Bobby (56:56)
I can grow one of those.

Two things. Yeah, you can do your question. I just feel like we owe the audience a little bit more with the 19 commercials we had in the middle there. So I just wanted to share something here. When I was driving into the neighborhood, by the neighborhood I mean back to Jersey this weekend, I was listening to WJRZ, I believe it is, FM radio. And there's two hosts and one is apparently a Ranger fan living in Devil's country. And he was just going on about his favorite Halloween costume. And it was a young kid who came dressed up as Shusterkin.

Chris (57:19)
Yeah, 100.1.

Bobby (57:33)
And you know, he's like, it's my favorite goalie. I would give him extra candy. And then he kind of moved it on even further. And at one point he was like, you know what? It's just so cool. I'm so excited he's here. one of the best goalies in NHL. Here, just take it all. And this is where I started to have a problem with it. was like, all right, here's where we got to stop the rhetoric right now. She's Sturkin is one of the best goalies today, for sure. But you go sitting there and making a claim like this guy is one of the best goalies in NHL as in NHL history.

We have one shit. That's pure rhetoric right now talk to when he's got at least one cup because maybe you can be one of the top goaltenders when you do that but preferably multiple so I just you know I'm just saying I'm on record saying he's the best going league right here right now but don't put him in the class of best goalies ever he has not earned that based on what he's done on regular season loan. Rant over.

Chris (58:24)
And to give away all your candy. Yes, well done Bobby. That's it. Any ranger hate is good hate. We'll take it.

Bobby (58:31)
I know. It's fun. We should always end a show with Ranger hate when we can.

Tim Wood (58:32)
That is good.

Chris (58:34)
And so what's your second thing? Wait, did you see the I did like the Rempy quick elf costume? That was pretty funny. Did you guys see that one? Yeah, that was that one was pretty good.

Tim Wood (58:35)
Yeah, and not talk about Halloween costumes.

Bobby (58:37)
You had the second thing, now I had to jump into

Tim Wood (58:45)
Yeah, I did. did. Rempey's burning up that road from the garden to Connecticut pretty quickly. He's gonna have to...

Bobby (58:48)
I did not see that.

Chris (58:52)
Yeah he is. Yeah he is. They gotta figure out... I know, right? So much skill there. I mean, dude, he is so fucking bad. If he is not fighting you, he is so bad. mean, guys just fucking skate right through this dude and he'll break his ankles almost every time he goes in to try and forecheck. It's great.

Bobby (58:53)
Yeah, it's a shame. He's such a good hockey player

Tim Wood (58:57)
Yeah, I know.

I'm gonna it.

But in his defense, he's very tall, so.

Chris (59:17)
Yes. Yes. He's very tall. He's rampire tall.

Bobby (59:18)
Yes.

Tim Wood (59:21)
That was it. was like when he knocked Seigenthaler out. Everybody on the Rangers Twitter was like, well, he's very tall, guys. He's really, he's very tall. It's like.

Bobby (59:21)
It's very tough.

Chris (59:26)
Yeah, that was it. He was right. Right. So if you're over six foot five, that makes your elbow fly out to the side when you're about to hit somebody. I didn't know that.

Bobby (59:29)
yes, right. Yeah.

Sure does, it's also science.

Chris (59:41)
Alright, last question of the night. Who's the first coach getting fired?

Bobby (59:42)
It's a balanced thing, Chris.

Patrick what?

Chris (59:49)
Mike Sullivan? Mike Sullivan. That's it. I agree. It's Mike Sullivan.

Tim Wood (59:49)
Mike Sullivan.

Bobby (59:51)
Yeah, Mike Sullivan. like that. Yeah. Yep. I like that.

Tim Wood (59:55)
Mike Sullivan or LeLonde.

Chris (59:57)
I think it's probably gonna be... I'm gonna go Sullivan though. I think Sullivan's gonna be the first. I just, I think Sullivan wants to be the first at this point.

Tim Wood (59:59)
For Montgomery, for Patrick Waugh.

on.

Bobby (1:00:05)
Yeah.

Tim Wood (1:00:08)
The funny thing about Sullivan is he's gonna be the coach of the US team for the Four Nations tournament. It'd be fucking hilarious if he didn't have a job.

Chris (1:00:12)
Yeah.

Take about all the time he can devote to making sure the USA wins the gold in the four nations then. He has a lot of free time. Yeah, but I think he's...

Bobby (1:00:17)
would be.

Tim Wood (1:00:27)
Yeah. When that gets closer, you guys should do like projected rosters for that and see how that looks.

Chris (1:00:32)
Yeah, that would be awesome. Alright, we'll do that at some point. But we are gonna come back sometime next week, hopefully early on or right after the, actually Edmonton's playing Monday, so we'll do a show on Tuesday. So that will work and we'll talk about that. And Tim, you're more than welcome. Hopefully you come and join us and be awesome. This was a lot of fun tonight.

Tim Wood (1:00:38)
You

Yeah, yeah. I wanted to talk about the power play at some point, because I've been noticing some things, which would be fun. we've already done this for like an hour, so I'm going to.

Chris (1:00:56)
Alright.

Yeah, so we'll cut it tonight. I still want to go and eat dinner. I haven't done that yet. So we appreciate it guys wherever you're watching us download subscription and follow all the other shit that goes along with it For Tim and Bob, I'm Chris. Where the uncle puckers will see him when we see you

Bobby (1:01:16)
Bye-bye.

Tim Wood (1:01:16)
Yeah, boys. Bye bye.