The Devils season ended for the second time in 3 years in a game 5 in Raleigh. The guys give some honest perspective about this crazy Devil season and the injury plagued playoff. The battle is on with this weeks Snake Draft.
[00:00:05] Hey everyone, Mr. Devil here, Kenny Danico, three-time Stanley Cup champion of the New Jersey Devils And you're listening to The Uncle Puckers NJD Podcast, Let's Go Devils! Well, it's going to be quite a few months until we say Let's Go Devils again This is our first podcast since the Devils were eliminated in Game 5 on Tuesday night by the Canes
[00:00:34] Chris and Bob, Uncle Puckers, Timmy will be joining us shortly But I guess this will kind of be a little bit of, I don't want to get too much into the depressing That's why we took a couple of days off between recording So we can all kind of digest this season, because it was a crazy-ass season And now we'll talk a little bit, like I said, I don't want to do the whole post-mortem right now
[00:01:04] Into, like, what needs to change, hey Timmy You know, into what needs to change and stuff We have plenty of time for that What I kind of want to do tonight, before we get to some fun stuff Like our weekly Uncle Puckers Snake Draft of the Week Is just your overall feeling of the season, the playoffs, things like that So any thoughts, any other thoughts that you have too So Bobby, I'll let you start it off here, buddy
[00:01:34] You brought up a good point about taking a couple days off It really does help you kind of put it into perspective I'm not going to dwell on the regular season too much I think that it's hard for us in these chairs to not overanalyze Because we feel like it's kind of part of the job I mean, we want to just be fans and say one thing And then you think another when you're looking at it with a critical lens
[00:02:02] So seasons are going to have their ups and downs You deal with some injuries I thought that I was most disappointed probably with the end Because it was only a few weeks ago We had a show after maybe a few solid wins Or at least a few good games in a row That we were showing how easily they can almost be right at 100 points Or 99 points And how successful of a season that is in the NHL Especially nowadays Like seriously, they say it a lot with the parody But it's freaking true
[00:02:32] I mean, there is a lot of parody here And these teams are very closely matched It usually just comes down to like one or two things And grit and effort and luck and health You know So I was a little disappointed with that That the end It was the only time of the year that I'm looking back now And I can honestly say That I was truly disappointed Yeah, we joked they couldn't get four in a row And that kind of thing And they definitely had some bipolar mood swings Throughout the year But a hockey season is really tough
[00:03:03] What I saw in the playoffs Was what I wanted to see Especially towards the end there We said all the right things About no excuses and all that And we've also said You know what? That's bullshit I've never seen a team try to overcome The amount of loss we had Especially on the blue line Essentially wasn't even our blue line For the entire year Not one guy Not two guys You know what I mean? Like depth is having an extra good player Great depth is having an extra two great players And you can't ask for a whole defensive swap
[00:03:34] I would have been concerned And I said it during the year To play Carolina with any of our lineup I just don't like the way we play against them So even at 100% healthy I would have been scared in this series But for me The way they played And I know it's You know It's a 4-1 series win But other than game one You know I just thought that everything was Fairly close If we had A shred of our Power play As I mentioned before
[00:04:02] Maybe we pull out another game or two Who knows Just It was just too much to overcome But that effort is something that just makes me Really happy And it sucks that we're not still playing But I can't hold it against the guys That were left on the team I'm not going to sit here and be like They wasted an opportunity I think they were just dealt a terrible hand And that's what the players on the roster We could talk about What the roster did or did not become As a different topic But the players on the roster
[00:04:32] To a man I thought gave it their all That being said You know Yeah A little bit of the bottom six You got a question If that was your all I really would have expected A little more But the core At least And And Just the energy That they tried To give They were wiped out They were exhausted So overall I'm leaving the year With a good feeling But they got a lot of work to do Timmy Badney You're up
[00:05:02] Oh Badney It's Oh yeah That's good It gets a little creaky I was sitting on the porch I don't know You know That's You're such a hick Old man sitting on the porch Sitting on your rocking chair On the porch With Bartles and James You know Eating the bear That my dogs killed The other night You're good boys No It's I'm not I'm not mad You know Like
[00:05:31] We came into this season And it was so Promising And the first couple months Were great And we were We're kind of flying high And I think That game five Was kind of a A microcosm Of how the entire season Sort of unfolded You know End of December We were We were contenders We were right there Everybody was healthy We were clicking Then the cracks started showing And that's You know Kind of like The first period Everything was working You know We were up three nothing
[00:06:02] Then shit just fell apart And everybody got hurt And look We've said this before It's You know It was just too many injuries To overcome I'm proud of the guys That The way that That they competed And the way that They played I think they They did kind of You know Give it what they got And to be honest A lot of those guys Pretty clear They didn't have a lot To give You know We lack some serious talent
[00:06:32] I think there's something Floating around Where We broke a record For the most Most defensemen Played In a In a postseason series In five games Which That's A team That up until I think December Ran the same Six guys out there Yeah Every single game And then to have It fall apart like that Is crazy I didn't know that That we were The I don't I saw a couple people Quote that I didn't see like An actual number Of that That seems like
[00:07:02] Because usually When you get into The playoffs You know Everybody's kind of Healthy Maybe they swap One guy in or out But generally speaking Like just to have Everybody go down Like that And then to have A clearly not healthy Dougie come back You know When the team Needed him A clearly not healthy Healthy Siegenthaler Come back When the team Needed him The way Nemich Stepped up You know Sucks We lost Kovacevich To that knee injury Now Which he says He's going to need Surgery Dylan sounded like He had kind of A scary neck injury Luke
[00:07:31] Who knows They shrouded that Mystery The neck injury Is weird to me Because when you See it He got tangled up With Martin Nook And it looked A lot more like A knee or something And then he couldn't Get off the ice And that it was A neck injury Is kind of weird to me Like when the hell Did that happen I don't know You know Next sometimes You know Like you move wrong And something could happen I mean look Sure But I mean You know Yeah I mean that's us When you know When I sleep wrong And I wake up
[00:08:01] And my knee hurts For some reason Yeah Right You don't play Because of it Yeah exactly I'm skipping beer league For you guys Just so everybody knows But yeah I wouldn't say I'm disappointed Because we started out So well But I'm Not really all that upset Because of the way Things ended up And this is kind of We saw this coming And that's You know They just ran out of gas And that was That happened in the game That happened in the season We just Carolina's a good team And you know
[00:08:30] The old ad is You know There are two teams Playing out there And we We played a better one You know Washington's gonna Kick the shit out of them If they We were close In three of those games You know One of those power plays We convert on Here and there But I think To a man You know They were all They're all about as good As they They could have been That's That's really kind of Yeah I I don't disagree With anything That you guys said I mean It I was on
[00:09:00] Watching a little bit On YouTube Of the exit interviews I got about Three minutes in To Nico's And that was I started part two first They had put Part one out And I just Turned it off Because you just I felt And still feel So bad for these guys Because you have guys Like Nico Bratt Timo Markstrom You know The whole defensive core Everybody that skated up On that blue line From game one To game five And I
[00:09:30] To a man They played their dicks off They did what I mean They left it out They actually saw Dicks on the ice Trail of dicks We should start doing that As devil fans Every time there's a goal Fuck the cookies Let's just throw Dicks out there Dicks out there That's it Disclaimer We don't really want To see anybody Throw a dick I don't want to see Anybody's dick Chris's closet By the way Is full of them One battery Goes off A misguided Business venture Yeah
[00:09:59] Those in the The Joe Biden Urinal cakes For some reason They just never took off I don't know why I wanted to do A MAGA grift At one point Yeah The MAGA grift Is the best Because I mean Well Trump's been doing it For fucking Eight years now So I mean We could definitely Jump in on that But the game Yeah Sorry I just Another thing That I wanted to say And I forgot too I think You kind of have to Continue to try And look at this From From this group Of players
[00:10:28] And the macro level Of how it's evolved Over the past couple Of years You know Two years ago I think we were A little bit over Our skis You know They set a franchise record But they were playing above Probably what they were They took two steps back Last year Now they took another Step forward this year And progress isn't always linear You know Hopefully Jack and Luke Come back fully healthy You know Who knows who's going to go And who's going to stay We can get into that later As you said You know The post-mortem numbers You know Playing with
[00:10:59] RFAs and UFAs And buyouts And all that shit And there's a lot There's a lot to be done We're back There's a lot to be done I think But there's a lot of progress But there is also a world And I had this thought The other day Where Tom Fitzgerald Resigns everybody And says I owe it to these guys To run it back For another year Which In which case I will jump off A fucking bridge And you know Of course you always Have that fear We're not the ones Making the decisions So we don't know But I think
[00:11:28] Anybody That has Any semblance Of a brain Between their ears Looks at this team And says This bottom six Has to Has to be Remade You know Maybe all of them Or you know So it really does depend But And then moves That you have to make Throughout the season You have to get better But as far as And where I was going With this was When I was watching On YouTube And I was looking At some of the comments Somebody had written I like Nico But captain material Question mark Like Scott Stevens
[00:11:58] Used to get out there And scream at these guys And I just wrote back And I never really I never reply I never So Pucker Chris Just replied back Like look man People lead in different ways Nico leads with What he does on the ice And from game two On Actually from game one On Nico He sure played His absolute Ass off Any single time That that guy Is on the ice He doesn't take a shift Off He busts his ass He's one of the best Two-way players In the league
[00:12:27] He's the only Offensive threat We actually had In these playoffs I mean I thought Timo played great But regardless Nico He sure Is the backbone Of this team And they'll go And they follow him I mean that's simple They all said They all said it Taking shifts off We're swept None of these games Are close Game five Doesn't get to Double overtime Every game Was close Except for game one And could have Gone either way And two of the Wins came I mean One of the wins Had to go Extra time Twice Nico He sure
[00:12:57] Is a stud Timo Meyer Really showed me These playoffs That he's a Big time guy Big time player But more importantly I want to discuss Shimon Nemich Who showed me And I think Everybody That he is A big time player And I didn't Think he was I honestly Had so many Reservations About this guy And I love That he proved Me wrong I really do Because he
[00:13:25] Regardless of Whether he gets Put into a package And traded Or whatever If he stays In New Jersey Or if he goes Somewhere else They're getting Or we have A really Solid dude That can grow Into being One of the best Defensemen in this league He was getting The lion's share Of minutes In game five Late in that game The overtimes And late in period three And that wasn't Because everybody Was gassed They were But it was because He was actually
[00:13:55] The best defenseman Out there And I thought That our D Corp played Like I mean Goddamn gladiators Out there Every night Brian Dumoulin Somebody needs To pay that man And put him In their starting Lineup Because he's Too fucking Good I liked A lot of It's hard to say Like looking at A losing season A losing playoff Round And say that You can find Positives in it But I think you Can as devil fans Look at this And just say Yeah Bobby You're right
[00:14:24] The injuries Were Look man For 35 years I've been Deep into sports I have never Seen a team Have to deal With the amount Of injuries That this team Did And I mean It was Not throughout a year We're not talking About everybody Losing the player And we're talking About all of them All at once Going to playoffs I've just never Seen it I still stand By the adage Twice Like Jack Dougie's All within a week So we had to Figure that out And adjust that And look I said I would Do this And I am
[00:14:54] I'm kind of Softening on my Firefits dig Some of the things Are coming out About trade packages Like Ryan O'Reilly Like Trotz wanted Nemich Mercer Into first For fucking Ryan O'Reilly And it's like Come on I think that package Was comparable For Ricard Raquel With Pittsburgh I think it was Something along those lines To just Too much I get it He had his His hands were tied And he couldn't He couldn't do anything About it at the time And that's just
[00:15:24] One of the unfortunate Kind of Undercurrents Of the season Was The whole Eastern Conference Being so competitive That it fucked up The marketplace You know The Rantan thing Fucked up the marketplace And made it really A seller's market In a time when we We It would have been Much better Much better For the Devils For it to be a buyer The Paris market So You know That's just another Tough thing That we had to adore But they rallied They just We didn't have the talent Towards the end We didn't have
[00:15:53] We didn't have it And we didn't Between the injuries Lack of talent Bottom six Power play going cold Like It wasn't meant to be But I still think You know With some moves Like this team Is still on the rise And still is going to be A dangerous team To your point about Nico Like I was arguing With someone On Twitter About this It's just Like what Do you Like I Just Just the people That Have it in their heads That That leadership Needs to be
[00:16:22] One specific way This sort of Messier Stevens 1990s You know I can tell I guarantee It's probably guys Like 50 plus Sorry That are Yelling like This is That you need To be yelled at You know Like I can guarantee Those guys Don't run a company Or don't I also You know It's You name Like if you go back To that Era of hockey Like there were A lot of great captains That weren't Mr. Vocal Screaming at everybody That let their play Dictate You know Their actions Whatever
[00:16:51] Steve Iserman Like Iserman Wasn't out there Screaming and yelling At everybody Like it was Get on my back Follow me Dean didn't even speak Wayne fucking Gretzky Right Wayne Gretzky Like it comes In all shapes And forms And now these teams Have leadership groups And it's just Yeah If you don't like Nico being the captain Go follow another Fucking team The last time That The puckers As a collective Even questioned that Was our first year
[00:17:20] And it was three years ago Where we just kind of said Is he the right captain Maybe he looks a little soft Remember we talked about The same things He looks like His age was also Part of it He's young You know why Also that The last time That we brought That up Because That was a totally Different team There's a team That's blowing up Like everything's going Right Goals are going In left and right They're just Powering through The league Little adversity Really seemed like It was the big Fucking deal You look at the guy Now When the shit Got tight
[00:17:50] When all that Kind of comes back Down to reality And they're playing More of a full hockey Game Against Like evenly Matched teams When they're up Against a team Like Carolina And you see The way He plays Does it make any sense Like it's just Yeah When it was all Flash and dance Yeah Maybe you're Questioning it Because it's a Different type of game But when it When the shit Hit the fan When it became Like a man's game He was right there Leading the whole way Sheldon Keefe Had said it a couple Weeks ago I don't think I've given him An easy shift All year
[00:18:19] And that's just The truth I mean Nico He sure has The toughest Assignments Every single time He gets on the ice And he still Manages to Score 30 plus goals 70 plus points By being this You know Beat us in the playoffs Four goals Four goals In five games I mean This team is And you saw it Last year When Jack went out Earlier Like in the beginning Of the year Right I think that was He got hurt And then he got hurt Again He was out a little Bit longer I think I get But Jack
[00:18:48] He got hurt Early He was on a tear Then got hurt Early Yeah So it's the first Time he got hurt Like the team I think lost Maybe one game They didn't miss a beat When Nico went down You started seeing The wheels come off He is the leader It's that simple And this team will go As far as Nico Heischer goes And Nico Heischer can bring This team to A Stanley Cup Down the road But again You know Lots of changes Have to be made I mean I just look at two guys If Luke and Jack Were in this series I think it goes different
[00:19:18] Now if Luke Jack Dilly And Kobe Are in this thing From the beginning I mean Who the hell knows What I think this team Could have Definitely gotten past Carolina You know We had to address Dennis Chalowski In a game Yeah What the fuck Dennis Chalowski Never played one playoff game Until game four And that was his first Or five Five was his first Or whatever I don't know how many games He played But this season
[00:19:48] Was his first playoff game ever Seamus Casey Gets playoff experience Simone Nemich Brett Pesci Just proved that You know He's a fucking warrior Man And this guy And he's about At 40% Right now And playing Other than like Nico He looked like The one guy Just absolutely Wanted to refuse To lose Yeah It didn't happen Of course But it's not For any of his effort We did Absolutely I like I like all season What Sheldon Keefe did I do think Absolutely
[00:20:16] Fitz got the right man For the job I have full confidence In Sheldon Keefe Moving forward With this thing And I have full confidence In the core And right now I'll say the core Is our top six And Marky And I have And well The defense I mean we're talking Guys on the game Sure But I'm talking Just you know Main guys Like Marky did I mean He's that goalie Right He's not bro door Where He's gonna let one by And if it's a One nothing game Or a two one game
[00:20:46] And you know The team needs One other goal It's a low scoring game Mark Marty's not giving that Second or third goal up He's just not He can lock it down Marky will give up Three or four But he makes the clutch save When he has to And that was obvious In game five Like yeah There were some questionable goals But I'm not putting this series On Marky I think he played his ass off And I'm fine with him Being our starter next year And I like that Dawes will be backing him up I think that could be huge It's just I feel bad for these guys I really do
[00:21:16] Just to see Like to go out there So undermanned Like there's nothing worse In any job You know And you go into work And fucking five people Called out that day And you're just like Great Today's gonna absolutely suck Because I have to do Six people's fucking jobs Or I gotta spend all day Showing people How to do this shit That was For every goal That was quote unquote Soft on Markstrom I could show you Like four mistakes That were made In front of him Leading to that goal And it's just You know Like the short side one That he gave up
[00:21:45] To Jackson Blake It's just like Yeah well we had Two defensemen in the corner Like Lindy Ruff's old Flood system That I'm still talking To my therapist about A center also there They lost the battle And then Bratt turned The wrong way To go try and play the point So it's like Yeah Like all that happened To allow Jackson Blake To even get a shot off Like you know Yeah maybe Markstrom Should have stopped Slavin's goal But Nason made that Awful fucking turnover Yeah he did It's just It's a cumulative team game
[00:22:14] And yeah You know Nico Nico Bratt Jack Timo Those are Four guys up front Luke Pesci On the back end Right now I do think Dougie's coming back I think He was clearly Very hurt And you know I've been defending Dougie left and right But If we are to Free up money I think he's probably The smartest one To move on for Because he does Carry a lot of value There is a lot Of value in him
[00:22:44] From a low end Number one Power play quarterback Type If we have to Eat a little bit Of that nine million To make it a little More palatable That's fine But I think That is probably The best move I think what it's Going to come down To Is Kovacevic's Timeline Because Nemich Has clearly now Got a spot With Kovacevic Supposedly not going To be ready For training camp So Nemich Is going to be Entrenched on that Right side So what happens Then So we can Again We can get into All of that But Yeah I mean I would Personally Like just Quick
[00:23:14] You know Looking at this Like I agree With you Dougie Hamilton Should be traded This summer Whether or not He is or not It doesn't matter He will be You You know I'm a big Fan of getting Rid of guys A year or two Before that Drop off You got to do It when they Have value For four years Now he's Played one year Where he hasn't Gotten hurt And the injuries Are just They're too much To overcome And so What do you do If Kovacevic Isn't coming back Well maybe You lock Dumoulin up For a year
[00:23:44] At a Decent rate To be your Seventh defenseman And at least You know You have Somebody dependable That can come in And spot Start whenever You need And the way This team goes They're going To be needed So you know The last two years Have been brutal With the injuries But like So something I don't know I mean If Jack starts now Next year It's a leg And then It's right leg And then the year After it's his left leg And you know At some point He's got to stay healthy At some point You know You gotta You know A lot of people
[00:24:13] You know A lot of people Everybody Looks at A team's failure In the playoffs And then next year They go on And they do something Special right Tampa Bay got Swept by Columbus They won a couple Cups Florida makes it You know Just into the playoffs On the last day They make it To the final They're beat up Banged up Vegas beats And the next year They come back And win Yeah Toronto just beat Ottawa So So Toronto moves on This whole season Could be that Could be a lot of The devils The amount of The devils The amount of adversity And that's the playoffs Right
[00:24:43] The playoffs are all Overcoming adversity It's a war of attrition And The devils went through It all year So I do think That that's going to Help them next year Like I do think That this year With all the bullshit That was laid on them And the playoff run That happened The injuries You know Like we talk about I do think That that's going to Be A catalyst For them moving forward I do I think that they Can build off of this They can become A much tighter Better team Because of this
[00:25:12] And you know Look They showed it They are willing If this team Is Is a hundred percent And we have a few Extra guys In you know On the off season That we add And they play With this Tenacious You know Never giving up Kind of fucking Attitude and play They can go far Look at how many Of the players On the team Are playing well Above their depth In line placement It's just not Where you You didn't ever When you got Nason and you were
[00:25:42] All excited You weren't picturing He might be on line One for a playoff game You know what I mean Or line two even You're just You're picturing him Grinding out on that Bottom line And getting you That odd goal And of course Being the power play guy That he was at least The first half of the year I mean It's just not designed To be up on a top six It's just That's just not How it works At this point In Palat's career He should not be Playing on the first line You know Guys were not Slotted anywhere Where they should have be And you know It's because of the injuries It sucks
[00:26:11] It does suck That's a That's my Number one Need to get out Of contract And honestly Like I'm glad He played really well In the playoffs Because He has value Definitely He has value Like that gives him value Send him to Send him to Detroit Stevie Y loves him Stevie Y drafted him Stevie Y developed him You know I mean You mentioned about that Mercer Nemich And a number one pick To Detroit Or no
[00:26:41] No I'm not I'm not trading Nemich Oh who was it To Detroit You said Was it Palat Hamilton Palat Dougie And Casey And Casey Okay To Detroit For Dylan Again You know You could The Devils Now have Obvious needs They have Some guys That you could Move off of That have value Still You can Build this team My point is Basically You have the Core To build around Now Like I think It's obvious
[00:27:11] Now Your core Is fucking Good Your core Can hang With anybody Build around It Give them All the pieces That they need Don't over Correct Don't go out And get Six more Cody glasses Now You know What I Mean Like Do it Right And You know We'll see How it goes We need a Diversity In our roster We don't need A bunch of Guys that do The same Type of thing You know Like We Swung the Pendulum Over to the Kind of Grit And tough Guy-ness And You know That didn't Really work Out Because We couldn't Score
[00:27:40] For shit I do think Some of the Guys that Were on The roster Year over Year That regressed Pretty significantly Plot Holla Lazar Bastion Mercer I think those Five guys Were probably The leading Culprits In kind of What happened In this season Is guys that Were expected to be A certain place And play a certain Role Did not deliver In those roles A thousand Percent Well said Tim And I Think Those I'm fine With any One
[00:28:10] All of Those Five Guys Leaving This Team Lazar's Contract Is done Tatar's Contract Is done Bastion's Contract Is done Holla Pull off There are no Movement Or no Trade clauses Loosen up A little bit Dougie's No trade clause Loosens up A little bit I think We're really You know 3C is still Going to be The big Gaping hole That we need To fill And then A top Six wing You know We need An elite Scoring To fill In You know Gritzuk I don't Know what He's going To look Like Where he's Going to Play You know I think He's probably Going to
[00:28:40] Have a role Carved out For him I don't Know if They're Going to Tell him Like hey You got To go To the AHL First Or not Yeah Because you Certainly Don't want To bring Him in Just assuming Your future Looks like You're going To be A number One wing So we're Just Going to Do that Now Yeah Exactly We fucking Did that With Holt And we Ruined Him Maybe It was A little Bit on Him
[00:29:21] System Now We've Had That's That's That's It Bobby Go ahead Sorry I haven't Talking So much Bob Sorry That's Kind of The feeling I get At this Point Going to Next Year Other than UFA Moves And stuff That we Can do And other Types Of Trades Like I Feel like We're Now At the Precipice Where It's Like You're Going to Figure Out Which Of Your Prospects Are Due And That's It They Gotta Be Like Nemec Can't Have A Mixed Role Again Next Year He's Not An Up And Down Guy He's Either On This Team Or You're Moving Away From
[00:30:12] Ability I Think We Do I Think We Need All Four Of Them I Think We Need I Think We Need At At Three Offensive Puck Moving Defensive No I Agree With That That's What I'm Saying There's Yeah Like Nemec Needs A Role On This Team And Then For Me It's Like Where Does That Leave Casey Well The Good News Is We Have To Worry About Casey For Another Year I Think Casey Could Use Another Year In The AHL Like He Looks Pretty Overmatched In Game Five But Find Out I Guess What I'm Saying Is Find Out What We Truly Have
[00:30:42] And It's Either The Time Where They Have To Step Up And Then You Fill In The Team Other Ways Or You Don't Like If Foot Cannot Make This Team Next The Real Up And Coming Core Is Two And Then You're Also Coming You're Going To Get Hopefully Your Top Winger Hopefully Figure Out Your Three C Because If We Got A Guy Like Glass Playing Four C
[00:31:12] I Mean I'm Loving That Concept You Be Be A Pretty Pretty Good Move Go ahead B No I Was Just Saying Right Because You Know The Job Of The Manager Like You Said Is I Mean These Are
[00:31:42] Really Hard Decisions So He Has To Be Realistic Too So He's Sitting There Looking At The Prospect Of This Team And How Far They Can Realistically Go And He's Weighing How Many Assets People Want To Acquire Another Asset And He Has To Literally Be Honest And Be Like But What If I Mean If We Don't And We Give Up All This Now I Understand The People Out There Who Are Like You Need To Go For It Mentality I'm One Of Those Guys It Remains To Be
[00:32:23] Which Is Hard For People To Admit Not To See But To Admit He Probably Did Make The Right Decisions Because With The Way This Team Was Constructed I Don't Know That There Was Any Miracle Player Coming In That Gets Us Much Further Than This If Even Past This There Was Too Many Other Obstacles To Get Past This So I Mean Yeah You Know I Think I Think You Know The Guys That We Had If They Stayed Healthy You Know And If Say We Did Have A Fully Healthy
[00:32:52] Dougie And A Fully Healthy Seags And Luke And Dillon Are Both Healthy And Get The Shit Kicked Out Of By Washington At Least I Hope So You Know You You Go Back To Like 94 95 Right Devil's One Loop Was Putting That Team Together It Was A Veteran Team You Know Sans Bro Door Who Was A Rookie In
[00:33:22] 95 But They Were A Veteran team They Had Been Together For A While They Win The Cup Then We Have Five Years Of Not Making The Playoffs Being Ousted In The First Think The Farthest We Got Before 2000 Was The Second Round And What Happened In 2000 Young Guys Came In Guys From Our System John Madden Gomez And Stuff And This Influx Of Young Homegrown Talent That Took The Next Level We We've Yet To See
[00:33:52] That From Fitz We're Seeing It A Little Bit With Demich And With Casey But I Agree With You Tim If I Have To Pick One Now And I'm Completely Different Than I Was Three Month Ago And I Like Seamus Casey A Lot It's Simone Nemich Because Nemich Showed That He He Can Play In High Leverage Situations And Be Very Good In High Leverage Situations Seamus Casey Is Not There Yet He Might Be Down The Road I Love His Offense I Love That He Can Move The Puck I Love His Passing I
[00:34:39] System If Somebody Gets Hurt Are You Developing These Guys To Now Take The Next Step Will They Have A Legitimate Who Is Down There That Fitz Is Going I Don't Want To Make A Trade Right Now For This Person Because I Think I Have A And B Down In Utica That Can Fight For That Spot Do We Have The Lachance Laguerre The Lowe's So That's What I That's What I Want To See Too There Is There Is A Map Although It's Fluid And It Changes There Is Literally A Systematic Map Where They're
[00:35:09] Forecasting When That Asset Becomes An NHL Asset If All Things Go Right Of Course That Doesn't Always Happen So That's Kind Of My Gut Feeling I'm Like Are Those Guys Still There Does He See The Succession Okay We're Out Of The Bastion Contract We Could Put Foot Right In There And Not Lose A beat And Probably Gain A beat Is It Still Like That Is If It's Not Then That's Where You Need To Add To That Map In Whatever Way You Can Because If
[00:35:38] He's Doing It The Way Should Be Doing It Is A Particular Layout It's Kind Of Like The Orchestra Thing That Lou Lamarillo Said There Really Is The Type Of Player And Style Of Player Whatever His Vision Is That Like You
[00:36:09] Know Like Believe In And Then Yeah Big Game Hunting And I Know What This Team Wants I Know What This Team Craves Right You Know I'm Not worried About Scoring And There's Another Kind Of Layer To Is Is It Was Only Year One With Keefe And He Saw Some Pretty Transformational Like Immediate Transformational Impacts From From Both Luke And Jack I'll Count Those Two Out In Part But I
[00:36:39] Think Niko Elevated His Game I Thought Brad Elevated His Game In The Regular Season I Put Up 30 Goals At Least Man But Really Having Keefe Systems He's A 9 Million Diary Menace Yeah Yeah
[00:37:09] Wait Till Sam Ben It Gets The Same Thing For Ten Goals A Year So But Like What To Get The Stink Of The Former System Out Of Your System Yeah A Thousand percent You See It In Every Sport The Second Year If You Have If You Have Success That Second Year You Can Take That Big Step Forward Because
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[00:41:10] And today's category is the most underrated bands. Okay? Not, I mean, overrated. It was overrated. I was not prepared for underrated. Nope, nope. Over, over, over. My bad. Vegas just won two, so. Oh, wilds out. Yeah. That sucks. Yeah, no game sevens. It's boring. I'd be doing really well if I didn't root for the demo.
[00:41:36] I think I picked, I think I actually picked every single incorrect winner in my bracket so far. Maybe besides the Capitals. I got the Florida series wrong. Oh, I picked that. Tampa, Colorado was my, was my Stanley Cup final. Yeah. Is Colorado still in it? They're down 3-2 to Dallas. They're down 3-2? Okay. I don't think Dallas did a chance of their Haskin' it out and their right side of their D and Robinson out, but.
[00:42:03] I'm trying to find our picks real quick. This might be in this notebook, actually. Okay, so. What's the Edmonton LA series at? I think that's 3-2 Edmonton. Edmonton. Okay. So. Let's see. Tim, you had the. The. Kings in 7. Bob at Kings in 7. I have Kings in 6.
[00:42:33] That's not happening. And Tony at Edmonton in 7. Dallas, Colorado. Tony and me took Dallas in 7. Bobby took Colorado in 7. You took Colorado in 5. Jet St. Louis. Is that over? I don't think so. I think that might be going to game 6. All right. So I'm the only one that I took St. Louis in 6. That's not you guys all took. Jets. Vegas, Minnesota. What'd that series go? 6, right?
[00:43:02] On 6, yeah. All right. So Bobby and Tim got that one right. Tony and I took Vegas in 5. I took Toronto in 7. Bobby took them in 6. Tim took them in 7. And they won in 5. And Tony took Ottawa in 7. That meant Toronto. Did I say it? I think I missed those up. Caps, Habs. We all took the Caps. I took them in 7. Tony in 6. Bobby in 5. So you're dead on that one, too. Oh, boy, Bob. Or is that Deco? That went 5 or 6? I went 5.
[00:43:32] Okay. And you took them in 6. Florida, Tampa Bay. All of us took Tampa Bay. Oh, man. 7, 7, 7. And I took them in 5. Yeah, I was so bold. I thought they're beating the champs in 5. Where every year, I forget how freaking amazing the Florida Rams are. They're so good, man. I know. I want that team. Like, they're so fucking good. It's annoying. They're big. They're mean. They're fast. They're better than everybody. They're annoying. They don't give a shit. Like, it's just... Ah, there's so much fucking fun. Random number generator.
[00:44:03] Winnipeg Blues is tomorrow, game 6. Okay. Cool. All right. So how this works for the snake draft is I won last week. So I picked the category. That's why I picked overrated bands. But the order of the draft we do through a random number generator, we all pick a number 1 through 10. Tim, 1 through 10. 7. Bob? 10. I'm going 3. All right. Here's our random number generator. And generate.
[00:44:32] 6. So Tim. Tim goes first. I go second. Bob goes third. Sounds good. All right. All right. So, Tim, you have the number 1 overall selection in the Uncle Puckers snake draft. Most overrated band ever. The Beatles. God damn it. Damn it. Tim goes with the Eagles. Now, let me just say... The Beatles. The Beatles. You make your point.
[00:45:01] If you want to back up that choice at all, and then we'll give you your floor to back it up. But then we're open for counterpoints. All right. So, we can... The Beatles suck. The Beatles. Not the Eagles. The Beatles. I said the Beatles. The Beatles. The Beatles. Yes. Okay. Let's see your... Why? Because they suck. They're the most derivative.
[00:45:28] Like, they started the whole four-chord phenomenon of bullshit. They're bad musicians. Their songs are fucking stupid. And, yeah. That's really kind of it. I just... I don't like them. Never have. Never will. Bob, you want to add anything? Well, I will say that that was also going to be my first pick. But I'm going to be a little more lenient than Tim on this. And just say that I completely understand that they had a time.
[00:45:57] That they were very important to the music community and what they brought. Were they? I also... They were. Come on, Tim. Stop. Stop. You're not that... Why were they? Because they were cute little boys who came over from London? There are tons of other bands that were... I'm on your side. I'm on your side. But listen. There is not one band that is famous today that would not... And I don't give a shit what the genre is.
[00:46:21] It can be anything from fucking metal to punk to pop that do not say that the Beatles influence them. So you are completely off base on that one. They are by far the most influential band ever. You might not like their music, but that's fine. My thing with the Beatles is... Well, again, is it? Because my first pick or a pick that I have is a band I actually like. But I can actually defend why they're the most overrated band ever.
[00:46:49] But when it comes to the Beatles, I put the Beatles in a class with a few other bands. And I'll say Radiohead is one of those bands. I really like Radiohead. I really like the Beatles. The thing is, though, when you're an experimental genius, okay? Like Radiohead, like Paul, like John. These guys that do music on a different level. You're going to get shit sometimes.
[00:47:18] Because you don't really get to that brilliant genius without that shit, right? You get the garbage that the Beatles have made, unlistenable music, some of it, okay? But then you get Revolver, or you get the White Album. And their transformation. Like when it comes to Radiohead. Like you get Kid A or In Rainbows. But they're garbage. They're unlistenable. But then the Benz or OK Computer.
[00:47:48] Stuff that doesn't just... Yeah, it's good. Stuff that blows you away. And that's where I'll put the Beatles. I think they are the most influential band ever, which could be another category down the road. I've heard any people from death metal to punk rock to pop say they're influenced by the Beatles. You know, your talking points are talking points of like, to me, everybody that has, you know, every... I guess like too cool for the room guy, why we don't like the Beatles.
[00:48:18] I don't know why... I don't get this. You know, they started the four core... Like they were transformational musicians. I mean like... But I cut Bobby off and went on a rant. Sgt. Pepper was influenced by T. Floyd. Like, you know, like whatever. Like I just don't like them. Fuck them. We don't need to fuck them. I'm just... You know, like I was going to say. I do believe they had their time. I think they have some epic songs that I absolutely love. I think their entire body of work for me is simplistic and boring.
[00:48:48] I don't care what it did for the music community. I'm just talking about overrated to me. And this whole list is probably going to make me a very unpopular person with my next view here. But that just always felt that way. It's beyond the fact that I'm not a fan. And again, I say that fully admitting there are some songs and even albums I think are really good. But I'm just coming from the standpoint of just overrated. And I think they are overrated in their talent. I think that the world passed by their sound.
[00:49:17] So for me, that's why they would have been my number one. Well, okay. The world passed by their sound. I'm also not a musician. So don't take that one directly. Yet there's no other band that has broken up 50 years ago. Broken up 50 years ago. Members are dead. There's one fucking remaining living member. Maybe another two. But like half the band's dead. They've been gone forever. And yet they are still one of the most listened to. One of the most bought out musicians.
[00:49:47] Like these guys are... Obviously you really like them. I do like the Beatles. It's two to one right now. We wouldn't move on. Okay. All right. So who has the second pick? Me? You do. My first pick is, again, I'm looking at this not just of music I like, but bands that I actually think are overrated. Right. And so I will say my first pick is Nirvana. Damn it. Everybody's taking my shit. Oh, yeah. Nirvana. I hate Nirvana. Well, I don't hate Nirvana. Really?
[00:50:16] I like Nirvana. But I like most of their music. But here's the thing with Nirvana. Like they made two full, I think two and a half albums, right? They have two LPs, one EP. I think that's it. Nirvana's blow up. Why they got so famous to me was a timing thing, right? You're coming out of the 80s into the 90s. It's 90. It's 91.
[00:50:39] You have an entire country of people our age right at that time, 14 to 25, 26, whatever. That was just completely rejecting the fucking hair bands that were on and the bubblegum pop Britney Spears bullshit that was being shoved down our throats on every radio station. We hated it. That's why we listened to like Bobby. You were big into metal. It was completely, it was the other side of the spectrum. And that was, I was into punk rock more and stuff. And I, that was the shit that I like, not anything mainstream.
[00:51:10] So everybody, and plus like none of these people on TV looked like us or acted like us. You know, we didn't spray paint our fucking hairs and spray. I mean, hairspray our hair up and wear spandex. Like we wore flannels and had long hair and fucking smoked cigarettes and like to just bum around.
[00:51:26] Um, so when all of a sudden MTV puts this video on of teen smells like teen spirit, that entire group of people across the country, across the world, just had a collective, you know, meltdown. They blew their minds. It was like nothing that you were hearing in mainstream music. So they are overrated for that. They are also overrated in my opinion, because they have this moniker of the whole Godfathers of grunge thing.
[00:51:54] And no, they were not the first ever grunge band. They weren't the first band out of Seattle. You had the Melvins. You had Alice in Chains for Christ's sake. They were out first, you know, and bands like that. And, and, you know, Mother Love Bone and Mudhoney and all these other cool bands, you know, that just never got as famous as Nirvana because Nirvana hit like right at the right time. It was all about timing with them. And they went from playing like 200 people clubs in Seattle to selling out major arenas around the world like that.
[00:52:22] So, yeah, this blow up of, of, and plus, you know, you have a, uh, an artist, a lead singer, you know, who kills himself young. And now it's like that. Oh, what could have been, you know, like, like work. Yeah. Right. Like, like water down, like the tiny music of stone temple pilot. Like, you know, like, like, uh, other bands that like, um, like, I don't know. I love to think of what Nirvana might've sounded like if he survived.
[00:52:52] I don't think they would have been a band. You would have probably had a lot of Kurt Cobain solo shit and the Foo Fighters. And they probably would have be on Twitter wars with each other every day. It would be fantastic. But my, my whole thing is it was a timing thing. The suicide added to that lore of who they were because they were new and they were mysterious and interesting. And we didn't have social media and all this shit. Like if you wanted music, it was what was on the radio or what you heard at a record store or you're at your buddy's house. And you were like, wait, what is, who is this?
[00:53:21] And it was, oh, I stole my fucking brother's tape. And it's some band called the replacements and they blow you away. Never would've heard them before. But, um, so for that Nirvana to me, number one, most overrated band. Anybody want to push back? I think I'll let Tim go first. I know he's more of a fan than us and then I'll, I'll. No, I mean, I like her. I like Nirvana, but you know, I mean, that's a pretty good argument. I just think every single argument that he made could be applied to the Beatles in the sixties.
[00:53:49] The Beatles made more than two and a half albums. Yeah. Made like 58 albums. Yeah, I get that. But they were new. They're something nobody ever heard before. They're a bunch of pretty fucking boys from overseas. There was made one major difference. And there were terrible fucking musicians. One major difference. The Beatles became worldwide for not what? We're back on the Beatles. Well, no, I'm just going to say this. Let's just move on. Nirvana, Nirvana. The Beatles went. This is going to take an hour and a half.
[00:54:16] We had worldwide recognition through radio play. And that was it. Like they didn't have MTV. They didn't have all that. Like for them to become famous, it was because a entire planet loved their music. And, you know, just for them to stay as long as they have stayed and be as relevant even today. 50 years later, we're arguing over them. Like mission accomplished, dude. So Bobby.
[00:54:44] Just to follow up on Nirvana, because again, I thought this would be a very unpopular list for me when I get through it. If I had a chance to do any of the ones I picked, because I probably hate a lot of music that a lot of people love. And I don't even actually hate Nirvana. They're one of those bands that I appreciate more now, older than I did then. I was almost against them for whatever reason. I didn't really like it. And I understand some of their hits are actually really good as well. But to me, I just felt like they were overrated for everything that you've mentioned.
[00:55:13] And this whole, like, they're not the father of grunge to me. And even some of the bands you mentioned, I don't have to go that far. But like there was STP and there was Pearl Jam and there's Alice in Chains and like all these bands. You know, they were all really good, too. I just don't understand the cult, like following Nirvana, I guess. Because he died. Because he died. It must be. It's the James Dean effect, right? Like James Dean is this American heartthrob. James Dean made three movies, dude. That's it.
[00:55:41] Like he was in three movies and he was a good looking guy. We adore him now. If you turn on Lithium on SiriusXM and if you listen for an hour, you will hear at least two Nirvana songs. And if you listen all day, you will realize that they're playing the same two Nirvana songs. It smells like teen spirit. That Nirvana unplugs. It's a pretty good. That is a very good album. Tons of good stuff. I agree. Tons of good stuff.
[00:56:11] But are they overrated? Yeah, I think so. They are overrated. Yeah. Bobby, your number one pick. You already hit my number one and my number two. I'm not going to go as deep as a dive into why for this particular band. It's just to me, they're overrated. Appreciate a song or two and what they've kind of brought to mainstream, especially in the form of some sports anthem.
[00:56:40] But Queen, I don't understand the love of Queen. Sure, the guy was musically interesting and they have a pretty cool sound once in a while, but they're not a great band to me. I just think they're completely overrated. I mean, Fat Bottom Girls is a fun song to sing, but it's not a good song. There's nothing great about that song. So there you go, Queen. Good. Okay. Speaking of that, that is an anthem though.
[00:57:10] Well, Queen has probably more anthems than anyone else. Dick. Okay, so I really like... No, that's for me. That's my anthem. I really like... Slim Pickett's down here, Marilyn. Yeah. Freddie Mercury, I like him. I loved the movie, Bohemian Rhapsody. I loved the whole story. The guy's got an amazing voice. Ridiculous voice.
[00:57:37] But man, some of their songs and most of their songs are so fucking stupid. They're just fucking stupid. We'll ride my bicycle. What? Bohemian Rhapsody is like kind of fucking stupid. It's just like... It's a woman from Wayne's World. We're not singing that song every day. It's like, what the fuck are these guys talking about? But they have way more really terrible music than they do anything listenable, in my opinion. You can't actually buy their CD and enjoy it going through.
[00:58:04] You're going to hear that one or two songs you know from the radio, and they're going to be like, what is this? Yep. Yeah. I can't disagree with you, Bob. Good album. Good pick. Good pick. All right, Bob. Your first pick of round two. Oh, that's right. Snake Draft. So this is where it gets complicated for me because in order to be an overrated band, I feel like you have to have reached a certain level of success. Right? Right?
[00:58:28] So there's bands on this list that I really don't like, but I want to make sure I'm not just being biased and saying, I just don't like you. And I want to make sure they're actually overrated. So I'm having a real hard time kind of picking past my first three there.
[00:58:46] But I'm going to stick with kind of the theme of the old and just say I just never got the amazing appeal of our Rolling Stones. Love a couple songs. Of course, go to a lot of music festivals where people of my age and we play a lot of that stuff. And I'm definitely down with it.
[00:59:10] But as a collective, the American version of the Beatles or as Homer Simpson would say, what was he like? Give us our Beatles. Take back your Rolling Stones or some shit like that. Did you tell him, Tim, or are you? Hey, Joe, Rolling Stones went fourth in our draft. Tim, should I tell him? No, that was his pick. No, no, no. Should I tell Bobby yet that the Rolling Stones are not American, that they're from Britain? No, I'm sorry. Yeah. The Who is American.
[00:59:40] The Who is American. That's what I'm making. My bad. Yeah. So who are you picking? The Who or Rolling Stones? The Rolling Stones. Okay. All right. There's one Rolling Stone album I really like. It's Exile on Main Street. I love that album. It's bluesy. It's cool. I dig it. Um, I don't think I've listened to every Rolling Stone album. Like, so I know, like, most of the more, you know, from, like, probably steel wheels on a lot more.
[01:00:10] And that's just all bad. So I think there might be a world where I actually do like older Rolling Stones. I just never really gave a shit enough to sit down and listen to. Sure. I can absolutely see why they're on this list. Absolutely see. Yeah, so that's a great pick. I don't want to see a fucking 80-year-old Mick Jagger licking a microphone. Like, get the fuck off the stage, man. I'm with you. I'm with you. All right. You better see me lick a microphone.
[01:00:39] All right. So my first pick of round two, well, my pick, my round two pick is, sorry, all our Canadian listeners, but it's Rush. And all I'm going to say about Rush is this. And I said I did a little research. This was my research. 19 albums, 40 million records sold worldwide, not one good song. That's my fucking Rush argument. Tom Sawyer? Oh, God.
[01:01:09] You can definitely take a song off of each album or two and make a nice little short, like Wide Awaken America, like a four-song album. Right. That's really good. You could definitely do that. And I still wouldn't buy it. And I know that because I spent a lot of money on Rush CDs that I don't play. And when I do play, I'm like, why do I own CDs? I think fucking, what the hell is the lead singer's name? Leo. Oh, my God.
[01:01:38] I can't think of his fucking name. Leo. Yeah, Getty Lee. Leo Getz. Oh, that's what I was thinking. Leo Getz. That's what I was fucking thinking. I would rather hear Joe Pesci sing than hear Getty Lee sing. That's where I'm at. And all Rush fans' argument is, Neil Peart's the greatest drummer in the world. No, he's not. He's a fucking good drummer. Did you just return voice? My argument for Rush? That's your argument again, Tim.
[01:02:07] Just get away from the masses. Stop. He's a good drummer. But he's not. That's all Rush fans ever say. Because he is. Tom Sawyer's fucking terrible. Lime White or whatever the fucking song is, terrible. There's not one good. I wish I had the power to make you disappear for a minute. If I was Canadian, I would start a fucking petition to have them fucking deported to America. That's how much. I mean, Getty Lee's dead. Okay, I get it.
[01:02:37] I think Neil Peart's dead too? Yes. All right. So two-thirds of the band is dead. This is what you're saying about the dead, Chris. It's a lot of anti-dead people going on. A lot of anti-dead. A lot of anti-dead. Yes. I am anti-dead, actually. And so are you and you. I am totally against dead people. Dead people in the world. Anti-death in general. But yeah, I think Rush is, oh my God, so freaking overrated. Such a terrible band. So annoying to listen to. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Should I go on?
[01:03:07] No. You should not. You should stop. Go ahead. Please. Please. Counterpoint. ACDC. Oh, you're not going to counterpoint my Rush? No, because I've already tried and you are going to put me in timeout. I forgot I had that power, Tim. You just reminded me. Yes. Okay. So ACDC, huh? Yeah. I just think everything sounds the same. Every single one of their songs sounds the same. There's nothing unique really about them. It's just power chords and a guy with a terrible voice.
[01:03:37] Speaking of terrible voices, not great. Like, you know, they play in front of these huge crowds, kind of like with Queen. They have a couple of anthems, you know, like Thunderstruck. Cool. But like, eh, I could do without them. Bob, you want to, any counterpoint to the ACDC? I know you like them. I like them on the fringe for sure. I have a couple of albums. I've got a really cool, the double live album that probably everybody has.
[01:04:06] And I will say that I think they have a few songs that are kind of like the ultimate hockey warm-up songs, which means they always have a place in my heart. Like, we would go play in our street hockey and we'd pop up the hatchback and we'd play like Thunderstruck and shit like that. And I always have a soft spot for that. But I do listen to the rest of kind of their, like those albums. And I'm like, there's a lot of songs on here I really don't like. So, yeah, I do enjoy ACDC and some of like the hits.
[01:04:34] But when you dig deep into their catalog, I'm not a huge fan. So I don't really. If I went to a concert, I'd be like, play Thunderstruck and then I'm going to get the fuck out of here. Back in Black. Back in Black. Those are all the same. They're just like, you know, the same progression, the same power chords. It's like the same scale. It's just like it's. Yeah.
[01:04:55] As far as ACDC goes, like the songs that are on the radio, whatever, when they're on, they don't bother me. I don't pay them too much mind. They're kind of cool. Never in my 49 years on this planet have I ever once purposely put a ACDC song on. Never. So I'm kind of with you. I don't. I'm really indifferent to ACDC. Except to warm up for a hockey game.
[01:05:24] Or like I got, like I said, I got the live album. And when Thunderstruck comes on, of course, there's like two minutes of thunder building up. This flow build up. It's like how close. And I'm not exaggerating when I say that, like, psychs me the hell up for my next lift. It gets me going just like it would like at a hockey game. So I still do love that. But yeah, kind of beyond those few things, you know, it's, you know, dirty deeds done dirt cheap. It's kind of like that. It's really good concept.
[01:05:54] You know, and a whole lot of Rosie. Who the hell is Rosie? I don't want a whole lot of it. Sounds like I don't want any of it. You know what I mean? Sounds like they and Queen should get together. Yeah. All right. Tim, your final pick of the overrated Snake Draft. Oh, shit. It's my turn again. Kiss.
[01:06:12] I think Kiss, if you peel back the cosplay and peel back the theatrics, their songs are probably the most ridiculous out of any kind of major sort of metal band. Like, yeah. My wife asked me this. Would Kiss be famous at all if they didn't wear makeup? No, I don't think so at all. They didn't wear makeup. Like, the world revolted. They're like, ooh, there was some ugly motherfuckers. They actually have a video, I think, where they're, like, walking down the street.
[01:06:41] I think I just saw it the other day, which reminded me of this. Like, they're just walking down the street. It's like fucking dorks. Fucking dorks. The mid-90s, maybe, around there. I don't know exactly what year. But they came back with the makeup on, you know? And I was working at a bar. They were doing a huge tour all around. It was the first time in however many years, like 15 years or whatever, 10 years, that they're playing with their makeup on. They have some new material. So I was working at a bar.
[01:07:11] A couple of people at the bar got box seats, the Anheuser-Busch box seats in MSG. So I went. Now, I went because I was seeing in newspapers and stuff that Alice in Chains was opening up for them. And I, at that time, like, Alice in Chains, number one, like, I loved them. So I wanted to go and see Alice in Chains.
[01:07:37] Alice in Chains, apparently, I found out later that they were only opening up for them on the West Coast shows, so they weren't here. So these two terrible bands, I don't even know who they were, opened. And then I got stuck watching Kiss. And it was fun, I guess. You know, it was fireworks and guys in, you know, dressed in leather, like, idiots in 10-foot heels, you know, moving around to music.
[01:08:06] But I was so, like, I would have gotten the exact same pleasure, if there was any, watching a Kiss concert on my TV sitting on my couch. It was the exact same thing. I feel like it would be, like, my accountant's favorite band. And he would get, like, dressed up, paint his own face. Tony would fucking fight you right now. Yeah, well, that's not something I need to moment to do. I definitely, definitely would not have had this in-depth conversation if we had gone with Halloween candy.
[01:08:36] I just want to say that. No. That's going to come. I have a list. My kid wants to play that one, too. Oh, nice. Oh, yeah. He's in. Let me, on the Kiss front here, they've always been, like, a marketing band. That's just the reality. Yeah. Gene Simmons is a master marketer. He really is. He sells everything. I do like some of their stuff. Like, for me, growing up, the Double Platinum album is kind of an iconic album because I had an older brother.
[01:09:04] So, you know, he owned that right around the time where I shouldn't be hearing it yet. So it kind of holds a place in my heart. Of course. But, yeah, overall, yeah, their body of work is really not good at all. Like, I get some of the, again, the iconic songs and the radio stuff that you hear in Detroit Rock City. And it, you know, kind of gets you going. But to me, like, when your best song is Beth, I don't really think you're a good band. Like, I love that song. To me, it just got, you know, that's a cute song. And then the rest is just kind of like this weird rock.
[01:09:32] I'm not going to say that I hate everything that they've ever made like you. Like, I mean, some of their stuff, like Love Gun and fucking, there's some cool songs, you know. It's just silly. The replacements on Let It Be do an amazing cover of Black Diamond, which is pretty good. So, like, they have some stuff. But their fame is, yeah, like, why? Why are they so fucking huge? All right.
[01:09:58] My last pick was the band I thought that you said originally, the Eagles, not the Beatles. Yeah, this is a band I just never could get. I hate it. I hate this, like, folksy, country, harmonizing, gross rock, pseudo bullshit. Like, I just can't stand.
[01:10:23] I liked, like, I wish Glenn Frey just made fucking, you know, went on his own and just kept doing Beverly Hills cop soundtracks. I hate everything about, yeah, I hate everything about the Beatles, the Eagles. Not the Beatles. I like the Beatles. I just really can't say anything else. I just, there's not many songs that I like by them. So, one part, I'll say after Bobby gives his last one. But anybody want to fight me on the Eagles? No. I'm not going to fight you.
[01:10:52] I do enjoy the Eagles, but nothing past, like, you know, their double album that everybody knows. And particularly, like, Seven Bridges Road, I think is a really good song. And I have a lot of memories of playing the albums and playing darts, like, in college and stuff. Just getting super drunk, listening to the Eagles. And I kind of understand where they stand in the country pop side of things. Like, they're not really known for either of those. But that's kind of like their blend or country rock maybe or something that kind of bridged the gap between those two genres.
[01:11:21] But, yeah, definitely they fall into the overrated category. I've got some songs I like, but I would give you overrated for sure. Their best song is better in Spanish. Well, I like – I mean, their most popular song in Hotel California is better in Spanish. Yeah, I've heard it in Spanish. The guys play it in the kitchen. And Big Lebowski when he's the – what's his name? The guy in purple starts bowling. They're playing that song. No.
[01:11:51] No. Turturro. Yeah. Turturro. Turturro. Yeah, I just – with the Eagles, like, I just – again, they're one of those bands that I just don't get. Like, some of their songs, yeah, they're cool. All right. Hotel California. I actually forgot about that song. That's a great song. It's an absolutely great song. When it's on, I'll leave it on. Any other Eagles song comes on – Great guitar solo in that song. Yeah, exactly. Any other Eagles song, though, I turn it off. So when you're, you know, in that – Sitting on my mind. That one. I'm singing.
[01:12:21] Yeah, I got you. Like, when you're on that, like, Mount Rushmore of, like, American rock bands, like the Eagles are, like a lot of people like to put them. I just can't – I can't say it. That's all. Yeah. That works. Bobby, your last final pick here. Last one in the draft, right? This is you, baby. All right. Let's go with the hate. All right. So this band is another one that I do understand their huge following. I think that they absolutely had their time.
[01:12:51] I think that they're an enormous band that deserves some credit, all the credit maybe, that they've gotten. But it's – I don't understand it. It's not very good. It's just really weird. That band is Generichrist. No, I'm just kidding. Tony and Cuckett Generichrist. Doomzilla. No, no. I'm just kidding. What are those? Tony's bands.
[01:13:15] I actually had bands above this band, and I think I was chickening out when I wrote this because I almost didn't want to be this high. Okay? And again, I'm thinking, like, is this just – is it truly an overrated band or is it something I just don't like? And I can admit that this band is good. Therefore, I know it's not pure bias. I'm going with overrated. And that is the mighty Grateful Dead.
[01:13:45] Ooh. Bring on the hate. I get it. You've got loyal fans. I've seen it at your shows. Give me the balloons, and everybody has a good time, whatever. But they're fun. They're fine. I'm not into them at all. I don't think they're great musically. Chris, you knew. We grew up together around this time. I was not into that at all. Then I was like, okay, fish better.
[01:14:15] And then we got into the mo for a while, like going into all that. Enjoyed that. But I just think that the Grateful Dead is just a little bit overrated. By a little bit, I mean like, holy shit, you're fucking way overrated. Tim, you want to take this? There is a joke based on the Grateful Dead. It says, what did the hippie say to the other hippie when the drugs wore off?
[01:14:44] This music sucks. It's not a joke. And honestly, I love fish. I'm a huge fish guy. I never really liked the Grateful Dead. But I just, I think the guitar, I think Garcia's guitar is too weak. They went that weird kind of got a little too disco in the middle there. They have a huge catalog though. It's just fucking massive. It's kind of hard to pin them down. I just never really, I never really got into them. You know, I wasn't a joke. It might have been before my time.
[01:15:14] Like, you know, I wasn't, you know, Garcia died before I really kind of, you know, even knew where my dick was. So, so yeah. I always knew where my dick was. Okay. So when it comes to the dead, I, like growing up, my buddy, his brother, two brothers were big deadheads. Um, and they would always go to shows and they'd always have on, like I knew all. And then when I started working in bars, I was like 14, 15, like all the hits, you know,
[01:15:42] truck in and, you know, uh, all the, all those fucking, uh, touch of gray, all that stuff. And I liked everything I heard, but I never really got into them. I just never really at that time listened to them. Then I got really into the jam band scene in my like early twenties, like fish and, uh, uh, Mo and string cheese, all these bands. And I've probably seen Mo honestly, easily 60 times in my life.
[01:16:11] Um, probably seen fish at least 10, which is nothing to fish heads. Um, so I, I love it. And I started hearing like a lot of dead at like tailgating and stuff like that. And people would always tell me shows to listen to. No, you got to get this show or, you know, I'll send you this show and I'll send you that show. And so I got this collection over the course of a few years of about 10 dead shows that were just like 10 of the greatest ever.
[01:16:41] And I listened to them and I absolutely fell in love with them. I mean, the, I just, I liked the music and I know I shit on the Eagles for that like country pop garbage. There's just something about the dead that I, I like, do I think that I think it's insane that like people when Jerry died, they felt like they lost a fucking family member that like, um, blind loyalty, like a fucking cult for this band.
[01:17:11] And, and, and fish is not like that. Like not like the dead. Um, you know, they, they break off into all these different factions and it's further and it's, you know, what, uh, what was it? Uh, wharf rat and it's fucking rat dog. And, and it's, uh, you know, the same people just fucking follow to that too. It doesn't matter. It's whoever is involved in that band. They go and they sell out and they fucking just, it's like a cult with them.
[01:17:38] And I see where you're coming from because you either like the dead or you think they're fucking just got awful. So, I mean, I get it. I've gotten, I've gotten to the point that I can sit out on the deck barbecuing and literally I can throw on the dead channel and not have a problem with it. You know what I mean? It's fun. It's relaxing. It's kind of summertime sip on a Corona or some shit. Sure. But yeah, I just feel like in general, they're just overrated for what they bring musically. I can't argue with it. Yeah.
[01:18:07] I mean, you know, they were largely the live show vibe touring going to it, you know, similar to, there's a lot more of an experience than it is just a band. And I feel like that's something that fish has a fish has that, that sort of touring that vibe. You know, there's a bunch of like grungy, dirty fucking kids with no jobs. Follow them around too. But like, I feel like musically, they're just a lot better and a lot more.
[01:18:35] I just remember the first time, I think I was only a freshman, maybe a sophomore in college and the dead came through Providence. And I just remember, and I'm a young kid who can give a shit about most things. And the city was so goddamn littered with like empty balloons and just stupid shit. It just, it just aggravated the hell out of me how dirty it got in like one night. That's every show though. Yeah. I mean, I, it's kind of weird.
[01:19:03] I used to go to all the fish shows at MSG, like every, every new year. New years. I've taken so many ice cream scoops out of my brain from those balloons. So musically, there's no comparison between fish and the dead. There's just no good. The guys in the dead cannot hold a fucking torch to, you know, Trey, fish, you know, Gordon and fucking page. They're just phenomenal.
[01:19:28] And actually met Mike Gordon at a, at a Dave Matthews, Timmy Reynolds acoustic show at Radio City Music Hall. And he was sitting like three rows behind us, which was pretty awesome. So Trey grew up in Princeton. Yeah. He was a Jersey boy. His, his dad and my mom worked together at ETS right in between Princeton and Lawrence. So he's like family to you. You're good. No.
[01:19:54] Well, my mom came home one day with a CD and was like, Hey, Bob's a kid plays in this band. I think you'd like it. And she gave me maze. And I was like, I already own this. I have a, I'll show, I'll take a picture of insanity. I have a huge frame in my living room of the maze album cover. And it's, my wife did this kick ass frame around. Yeah. Cause the cover is amazing. It's yeah. The cover's really cool. And, uh, yeah, I love the picture, but yeah, I'll send it to you. It's fucking rad.
[01:20:24] There's a picture of Trey in a, uh, he played for the Lawrence flames, uh, P we a hockey team out of, uh, Lawrenceville, New Jersey, which is the high school I went to. So he grew up playing at my, uh, my high school hockey rink. All right. So anything else you guys want to be for speaking of P we tonight was, uh, practice number one for my P we team. It was just kind of a meet the coach, get on the ice, uh, starting tomorrow.
[01:20:54] I told you guys a schedule. So we've got a four day tournament Friday night, Saturday morning and night, and then Sunday night. And as a team, we're going to go out between the two games on Saturday, um, and kind of, you know, meet the parents. I talked to a couple of people today, but what was really cool from a hockey standpoint is that this was the first time that my kid, uh, was actually solidly within a group of his peers of around the same age. That's in his hockey journey.
[01:21:23] When he started a few years ago, it's learned to skate and all that stuff when he did elementary school. So he's eight, nine, and there's even five, six there. And then the kids who are also eight, nine were probably the kids that had been doing clubs since they were four or five. So it was a tremendous amount of, you know, like display of talent across the board and older. And then even in middle school, we've talked about this all year. He's a fifth grader doing the middle school league. So you've got kids up to 14.
[01:21:52] You got six foot 180 pound kids. And my kid who's 54 pounds. And this was the first time that there was a level playing field. And I saw tryouts of all the 90 kids that were trying out. And I saw the different skill levels. And I was very concerned to say the least, but we spent some time talking to the coach. He went in there today. We told him this is different now. We said, this is your locker room now. Okay. I'm not hearing he can tie. It's just, he can't really like lace up a skin.
[01:22:22] I'm like, you're going to get all ready. You can come out to me. We're going to tie him up. Then you're going to go back. And this is your time. He comes out. He's telling me stories about all the people he met, all the kids. This person, this person. And Mike is relatively shy. And I'm like, what happened? Are you talking to them? Did you bring up? No, the coach kind of told us all to tell us where we're from, what our age is, where our school is. Some fun fact. And it was just kind of like breaking out of his shell, but more importantly, they get on the ice. And again, for the first time, these are all 12U kids.
[01:22:52] So yeah, there's kids that are better than them. And maybe he's not the best at any one particular skill or total skill set, but he's got things that he might be better than the next kid. Like his edge work and the way it turns a little tighter than somebody. And it was just so refreshing to finally see a level playing field as opposed to my little four foot kid going against like a six foot giant.
[01:23:15] This will be a good year for him, especially just kind of for all the things that you said, like, you know, playing amongst his peers where, you know, he's not chasing the game socially. Like, yeah, you know, that's cool, man. That's really cool to hear. I saw him, like I told you guys before, like we shoot in the backyard. He can lift the puck. I'm not saying he's picking corners left and right, but he can elevate the puck. He can shoot. And then the whole time in middle school, he goes more of a push. It wasn't really like a shot. Right.
[01:23:45] Like what's going on. It's deferring to the bigger kids and the more skilled kids. And today he's on breakaway drills and all that. And he's lifting the puck. He had one that was like mid high that the goalie happened to snag out of the air. I'm like, where's this been? Everything's just been really good. And his confidence will blow up for it. Toe drag release, man. Toe drag release. Tell him we're proud of him, man. Super proud of him. That's fantastic. I'm still going to come up one of these days in my skates and take him out. We're going to wrap that. Dude, you got to get that shit on video. Timmy goes up there. All right. Absolutely.
[01:24:15] I'm worried. We're going to wrap this thing up. We're going to put our snake draft on the old Twitter machine. And you guys can vote on it and let us know who is right and who else is wrong and stupid. But wherever you're listening to us, a like, a five-star review, a positive comment, download, subscription. If you're watching on the YouTube channel, you guys know what to do. We're Bobby and Tim. I'm Chris with the Uncle Puckers. And we'll see you when we see you. See you in September.
[01:24:46] It's over, Johnny. It's over. It's over, Johnny.