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[00:00:41] Hey everyone, Mr. Devil here, Kenny Danica.

[00:00:44] Three times Stanley Cup champion of the New Jersey Devils.

[00:00:48] You're listening to The Uncle Puckers New Jersey Devils Podcast with Chris, Dan,

[00:00:53] Bobby and Tony, The Uncle Puckers.

[00:00:55] Let's go Devils!

[00:00:57] Alright I couldn't hear that at all so thanks for the direction guys.

[00:01:01] Let me tell you what it says in case you've never heard the podcast before.

[00:01:04] This is so weird, why wasn't I able to hear it?

[00:01:06] First you're going to hear Kenny Danica.

[00:01:09] That's so weird.

[00:01:10] Nothing, then you're going to hear it.

[00:01:11] Right, a long, long pause.

[00:01:15] Where our listeners are going what the fuck is wrong with this?

[00:01:18] Why are they not, oh here we go because everything just runs shitty.

[00:01:24] Yeah and you've been in the right place, you found The Uncle Puckers.

[00:01:27] What's up guys, how you doing?

[00:01:29] Good, speaking of listeners somebody has been pretty busy.

[00:01:31] I just happened to jump on to see some of the recent downloads.

[00:01:36] We got some shows here I don't even remember doing today.

[00:01:39] There was the last couple that we've done.

[00:01:40] We've got NHL rules to ponder, past Devils in today's NHL, how close to the Devils,

[00:01:47] Luke Hughes debut, Devils lose a wild thriller and the best one ever, Enter Bobby Pennsylvania.

[00:01:54] Somebody's really been digging into the archives here.

[00:01:57] Yeah sure, somebody Bob, somebody who has like 12 different IP addresses and you're

[00:02:03] downloading the show.

[00:02:04] We don't get paid for those old downloads so I wouldn't be wasting my time.

[00:02:08] I'm just going to play where is my mind with Bobby's his own Tyler Durden downloading this

[00:02:12] episode.

[00:02:13] Exactly, who's doing all these downloads?

[00:02:16] Bob's our only listener.

[00:02:18] It's entertaining.

[00:02:19] Before we start I got to mention one thing.

[00:02:23] It's too late, we started.

[00:02:26] We have started, Dan's right.

[00:02:28] I want to wait 20 minutes.

[00:02:30] Starting now.

[00:02:32] At the risk of repeating ourselves for the third consecutive show regarding The Roast

[00:02:38] on Netflix.

[00:02:39] Oh yeah.

[00:02:40] I did not really get to talk about it because I did not get a chance to see it so I

[00:02:44] finally watched it and I have to tell you that roast reaffirmed my faith in humanity.

[00:02:53] It was so awesome to just see throwback, bust balls, have fun.

[00:02:59] It totally reminded me of just the way we are.

[00:03:02] I think we kind of did on the last show too.

[00:03:04] We were just kind of throwing digs all over the place.

[00:03:07] You laugh, you move on, you keep going.

[00:03:09] I thought it was absolutely hysterical.

[00:03:11] It should get all the mentions that we have been doing and now our audience will

[00:03:16] totally go out there and splice in on Netflix.

[00:03:19] I heard this poor roast wasn't getting enough attention so I'm glad we could

[00:03:23] finally shine some light on it.

[00:03:25] There's so many people that have no idea what we're talking about.

[00:03:28] It's crazy.

[00:03:30] Not two more that are going to learn about it right now.

[00:03:32] Tom Brady is now backpedaling a little bit about, you know, well my kids

[00:03:37] are upset with me because they were in the line of fire and blah, blah,

[00:03:42] blah.

[00:03:43] You know, it's a roast.

[00:03:44] I guess it's trinching for little kids and mommy and daddy are

[00:03:48] divorced and mom's banging a jujitsu teacher now and all that stuff.

[00:03:53] But he's backpedaling a little bit.

[00:03:54] I thought it was fantastic.

[00:03:56] I still haven't watched the whole thing.

[00:03:57] I haven't even gotten Brady's.

[00:04:00] I started watching it and then it got to the two guys that had like

[00:04:08] the video screen and they were terrible.

[00:04:11] They were the worst.

[00:04:12] Who are they?

[00:04:13] Bert Kreischer, I know.

[00:04:15] I don't know the other guy but that particular segment was the

[00:04:18] worst segment on the entire thing which is unfortunate.

[00:04:21] Are they sport commentators?

[00:04:23] Are they comedians?

[00:04:24] Kreischer is just like a funny comedian.

[00:04:25] He always, you know, he drinks a lot, takes off his shirt, like his

[00:04:28] whole stick is, you know, look at me.

[00:04:29] Jason Kelsey?

[00:04:30] I mean what the fuck?

[00:04:32] But his actual comedy is pretty good.

[00:04:34] So I was surprised he didn't do like his own routine and they

[00:04:36] had that weird...

[00:04:37] It was awful.

[00:04:38] Yeah, that was the worst part.

[00:04:39] Yeah, I turned it off there but then I know that it gets really

[00:04:42] good.

[00:04:43] I haven't been back to it.

[00:04:44] Like we talked, I got sucked into Three Body Problem, which is

[00:04:48] just such a fun show and now Dan sucked into it.

[00:04:50] That's it.

[00:04:51] Now we got Three of Us on the Three Body Problem Netflix show.

[00:04:54] I'm enjoying it.

[00:04:55] It's pretty cool sci-fi and good.

[00:04:58] I enjoyed it a lot.

[00:05:00] I was telling you guys, it kind of reminded me a little bit

[00:05:02] of like something Stephen King would write but if he wrote

[00:05:05] it, sci-fi.

[00:05:06] And I agree.

[00:05:07] Not that he doesn't write anything that's sci-fi but you

[00:05:09] know what I mean, he's more of a horror writer or whatever.

[00:05:11] Now Bob, you can answer this.

[00:05:13] If Dan doesn't want to know, he can speak up.

[00:05:17] That's okay.

[00:05:18] Do they show the Santia at all of what they really look like?

[00:05:21] No.

[00:05:22] Okay, that's kind of a bummer.

[00:05:24] I think it's good.

[00:05:25] You don't want to show the alien.

[00:05:27] You know, the worst thing you can do is show the monster.

[00:05:31] If you got to show it all, it's got to be at the end.

[00:05:33] I know.

[00:05:33] It's such a cop-out.

[00:05:35] Like I always go back to contact with the cop-out of

[00:05:38] you know, we all look like you because our real form

[00:05:41] would just blow your fucking mind so much.

[00:05:43] They literally did say that.

[00:05:44] Yeah, I know.

[00:05:46] And it's kind of that old...

[00:05:49] The payoff has to be pretty damn awesome.

[00:05:51] You're going to tease something like that, right?

[00:05:53] So you are going to show it.

[00:05:54] I mean really how much more...

[00:05:56] You just covered the entire Earth in a supercomputer

[00:06:00] and there's a giant eye in the sky that's watching

[00:06:02] everything that we're doing.

[00:06:03] Are we really going to be shocked with how they look?

[00:06:05] If they live in other dimensions, then we will be able

[00:06:09] to see them the way they are but we should be able

[00:06:12] to see something.

[00:06:12] It's like you can see something in 2D even if you live

[00:06:16] as we do in a 3D world.

[00:06:17] You look at a 2D drawing, you see something, right?

[00:06:20] Yeah, I mean I haven't gotten into the episodes,

[00:06:22] I guess with the dimensional stuff and I guess that's

[00:06:25] coming because...

[00:06:26] No, I think you missed it.

[00:06:27] If you got to 6, you missed the dimensional talk.

[00:06:29] I already have.

[00:06:29] Well just that when he just asked her if she knew

[00:06:32] about higher dimensions and stuff and she said

[00:06:35] you know, as much as anybody can know, understand

[00:06:37] it, I know it but then he what she went to work

[00:06:40] for him but there was...

[00:06:41] Yeah, and then they talked about how they...

[00:06:43] Yeah, they said they use dimensionality to make

[00:06:45] their sofas.

[00:06:47] Right, right.

[00:06:48] When they went into the headsets and yeah,

[00:06:51] the guy from Game of Thrones, the one that's

[00:06:54] still alive from Game of Thrones.

[00:06:55] Sir Davos.

[00:06:56] Yeah, Sir Davos and yeah, that's right.

[00:06:59] They were talking about it.

[00:07:00] It's a really, really fun show though, man.

[00:07:02] It's good.

[00:07:03] Yeah, I recommend it.

[00:07:05] I enjoy it a lot.

[00:07:05] Those fans looking for a little extra entertainment,

[00:07:08] I'd say try that.

[00:07:09] Yeah, if you haven't watched it, Three Body Problem

[00:07:11] is a lot of fun.

[00:07:12] When are we getting a Netflix banner on our website?

[00:07:15] I'm already doing ads.

[00:07:16] I haven't cut you guys in yet.

[00:07:17] Netflix, they just released the NHL schedule,

[00:07:21] NFL schedule today.

[00:07:23] I didn't take a look at it yet, but they had

[00:07:25] released some prime time games and some

[00:07:27] international games and so this year Christmas

[00:07:30] is on a Wednesday and now the NFL of course

[00:07:32] has to own every major holiday.

[00:07:35] So they are playing two games on Christmas that

[00:07:38] are on Netflix.

[00:07:39] So Netflix has those rights, then Amazon has

[00:07:43] Thursday night rights and I think Peacock has

[00:07:45] a couple of playoff games.

[00:07:47] So eventually it's not even going to be on

[00:07:50] terrestrial TV.

[00:07:51] Yeah, Christ sakes and Christmas.

[00:07:53] It's really difficult for some older people

[00:07:57] some in some demographics that just they don't

[00:07:59] quite understand the concept.

[00:08:00] My father is one he gets really angry when

[00:08:03] a Yankees game is on strictly Amazon

[00:08:05] or whatever.

[00:08:05] Right.

[00:08:06] He doesn't have that, doesn't know how to

[00:08:07] get that.

[00:08:07] He's not going to try to get it.

[00:08:09] It doesn't seem right.

[00:08:10] I mean you should if you have it on cable

[00:08:11] or whatever you're paying for you should

[00:08:13] be able to get these games when you're

[00:08:14] in your local market.

[00:08:15] I agree.

[00:08:16] Totally agree and actually we were just

[00:08:18] talking about and don't worry folks.

[00:08:21] We will get into hockey, but we were

[00:08:24] just talking about getting rid of cable

[00:08:25] because I have Fios and it's fucking it's

[00:08:28] so damn expensive and like going over

[00:08:31] everything that we watch and really I'm the

[00:08:33] one that does the majority of the TV

[00:08:35] watching and it's all my sports every

[00:08:38] I can watch everything through streaming

[00:08:40] and I'm I don't know what I need regular

[00:08:42] cable for you know, so I think we're

[00:08:45] going to actually cut the cord.

[00:08:46] I said when devil season comes along if

[00:08:48] it is too much and I'm not getting games

[00:08:51] that I should be getting and I'm just

[00:08:53] going to buy the MSG app next year for

[00:08:55] 300 bucks.

[00:08:56] That's not more affordable than that Fubo.

[00:08:58] Okay, so I was doing that and that

[00:08:59] gets to be like 80 dollars a month.

[00:09:01] Right.

[00:09:03] So as our quote-unquote cable provider,

[00:09:05] even though we've cut the cord and we're

[00:09:08] still saving significantly over where we

[00:09:09] used to be.

[00:09:10] We have a lot of streaming stuff.

[00:09:11] But as of right now, you know what do

[00:09:13] you have left their Netflix and Max?

[00:09:15] What do you play pay for Fubo just by

[00:09:17] itself?

[00:09:18] It's it the package we have because

[00:09:20] I want like NHL network and all that

[00:09:22] on it is still just about a hundred

[00:09:24] bucks.

[00:09:24] Now we started at 80 and like anything

[00:09:27] it keeps going up.

[00:09:28] So now that everybody's cutting the cord

[00:09:30] from the cables and all these internet

[00:09:31] providers were cheaper now the internet

[00:09:33] providers are just bumping it up year

[00:09:35] over year.

[00:09:35] A bunch of other channels with who

[00:09:36] gives a shit?

[00:09:37] I mean, there's I don't really watch

[00:09:38] anything else on Fubo than the Devils.

[00:09:40] Yeah, right.

[00:09:42] But the thing like with what we

[00:09:43] pay now like I have to keep the

[00:09:45] internet of course and if I got even

[00:09:47] in a hundred dollar package from

[00:09:49] Fubo I'm at the end saving like

[00:09:52] $30.

[00:09:52] It's not worth it.

[00:09:53] Yeah, right, you know, so I like

[00:09:56] I'll lose some channels but most of

[00:09:58] the games are on ESPN and I have

[00:10:01] ESPN plus all the TNT games TNA

[00:10:04] or TNA whatever other channel.

[00:10:07] You don't get those on TBS anyway.

[00:10:08] They're on HBO Max, right?

[00:10:10] So I have that and then the

[00:10:13] MSG app which then I'll have to

[00:10:15] pay for once I cut the cord but

[00:10:19] you know for 300 bucks I get the

[00:10:20] devil game.

[00:10:21] So, you know, that's worth it to

[00:10:22] me.

[00:10:22] That's the best option.

[00:10:23] Here's the problem I had for

[00:10:25] whatever reason and I hope this

[00:10:27] has been fixed when MSG made their

[00:10:28] app they didn't make it to be

[00:10:30] native on the Roku platform.

[00:10:32] So I can't get it on Roku last

[00:10:34] I checked and so I was like really

[00:10:36] what I gotta do.

[00:10:37] Yeah, so I could go grab what a

[00:10:39] fire stick and put it in my

[00:10:41] game Roku TV.

[00:10:42] What a pain in my ass.

[00:10:44] Yeah, what do you just watch

[00:10:45] them on your laptop or something?

[00:10:46] I spend doing Fubo.

[00:10:48] Oh, I could ditch Fubo if I

[00:10:50] did the $300 which is way cheaper,

[00:10:52] right, right.

[00:10:53] So, you know, that's that's

[00:10:55] probably three to four times

[00:10:57] that for the season.

[00:10:57] You think that's a pain in the

[00:10:59] ass. We actually have a Roku

[00:11:00] stick and a Roku TV because it's

[00:11:02] a better streaming power than

[00:11:03] the one that's built into the

[00:11:05] TV.

[00:11:05] Really?

[00:11:06] So fucking insane.

[00:11:07] It's just fucking insane.

[00:11:09] It should be easier and here's

[00:11:10] the thing too since we're

[00:11:11] griping like old man, I might

[00:11:12] as well go here.

[00:11:13] You turn on your TV to watch

[00:11:15] something.

[00:11:16] It takes like there's loading

[00:11:19] times for fucking everything.

[00:11:21] Who's watching that screen

[00:11:22] that comes up who's watching

[00:11:23] how about you shut the fuck

[00:11:24] up and give me my choices

[00:11:26] immediately.

[00:11:27] Don't worry about who's watching.

[00:11:28] I know.

[00:11:29] Please tell me you changed

[00:11:30] everybody's names on your

[00:11:32] profiles.

[00:11:33] Change the names?

[00:11:34] I changed my whole family's

[00:11:36] names, everybody's.

[00:11:37] Yeah and my

[00:11:39] Max icon is J.B.

[00:11:41] Smooth because that's the

[00:11:42] best one.

[00:11:43] My Max icon is

[00:11:47] Michael Myers, I think the

[00:11:49] serial killer not the terrible

[00:11:51] Canadian comedian.

[00:11:53] Yeah, maybe.

[00:11:54] My one on Netflix,

[00:11:56] I think is

[00:11:59] Darth Vader.

[00:12:01] I don't even remember.

[00:12:02] I think it was a Star Wars

[00:12:03] one.

[00:12:04] I'm a sad panda.

[00:12:06] In my family, my tenure

[00:12:08] would have taken care of all

[00:12:09] those funny faces.

[00:12:10] I'm Shabadoo on all my

[00:12:11] which is going to be the

[00:12:12] name if I ever become a

[00:12:13] grandfather.

[00:12:14] I told my kids I want my

[00:12:15] grandkids to call me

[00:12:16] Shabadoo.

[00:12:18] Not grandpa, not poppa,

[00:12:20] not poppy, Shabadoo.

[00:12:21] Yeah, fuck up the

[00:12:22] name Scooby Doo.

[00:12:24] Yeah, it was an episode

[00:12:25] from Futurama where Frye

[00:12:27] actually meets his

[00:12:29] grandparents.

[00:12:30] I remember that.

[00:12:31] That's the best one.

[00:12:32] I'm going to call you

[00:12:33] Graham Graham and

[00:12:33] Shabadoo.

[00:12:34] I was like, that's awesome.

[00:12:36] Graham Graham and Shabadoo.

[00:12:37] Yeah, it's kind of like

[00:12:38] sad that one.

[00:12:39] Yeah, it was sad.

[00:12:40] You're right.

[00:12:41] So let's talk

[00:12:45] I guess happy stuff,

[00:12:46] right?

[00:12:46] Sure.

[00:12:47] Yeah, there's a certain

[00:12:49] certain meltdown happening

[00:12:51] in the Big Apple.

[00:12:52] Yeah, we're going to see

[00:12:53] if it continues.

[00:12:59] Scorpion time.

[00:13:02] It does look like

[00:13:04] the Rangers are in a

[00:13:05] little bit of trouble.

[00:13:08] What do you guys think?

[00:13:10] I mean, that's what

[00:13:11] Carolina team I was

[00:13:12] expecting.

[00:13:13] It showed up.

[00:13:15] I was actually

[00:13:16] disappointed.

[00:13:17] I just assumed they were

[00:13:18] playing every other day

[00:13:19] and they were going to be

[00:13:20] mostly through this game

[00:13:21] tonight by the time we

[00:13:22] came on so we can see

[00:13:23] where they were.

[00:13:24] We gotta wait till tomorrow.

[00:13:25] But do you think the

[00:13:27] the rest helps

[00:13:28] Carolina or the Rangers?

[00:13:30] I don't know.

[00:13:31] Hopefully Carolina.

[00:13:32] Remember the

[00:13:33] Rangers were already kind

[00:13:34] of more rested than them

[00:13:37] going into the series.

[00:13:38] They played one more game,

[00:13:39] Carolina.

[00:13:40] They were both rested.

[00:13:43] All right.

[00:13:44] So what's your takes of

[00:13:45] the last two games

[00:13:46] of that series?

[00:13:48] Anything specific?

[00:13:49] What are you seeing?

[00:13:50] What do you think is

[00:13:52] probably going to happen

[00:13:53] here?

[00:13:53] I mean to me,

[00:13:55] last night or the

[00:13:56] last game,

[00:13:57] like I just don't get

[00:13:58] the Rangers.

[00:13:59] I don't understand

[00:14:00] how you are,

[00:14:02] you know,

[00:14:03] this tour de force of

[00:14:05] winning seven straight

[00:14:06] games to start the

[00:14:07] playoffs.

[00:14:08] You,

[00:14:08] okay,

[00:14:09] you lost one.

[00:14:10] I don't think anybody

[00:14:11] expected them to sweep

[00:14:12] Carolina.

[00:14:13] So okay,

[00:14:14] we gave them a game.

[00:14:14] But then to come out

[00:14:15] in game five,

[00:14:16] the way that they did

[00:14:18] and just look the way

[00:14:19] that they did.

[00:14:19] It's like this

[00:14:20] mentality.

[00:14:22] And I kind of,

[00:14:23] it goes back,

[00:14:23] go back to the Ranger

[00:14:25] Devil series from

[00:14:26] around one last year,

[00:14:27] right?

[00:14:27] They win the first two

[00:14:28] in our building.

[00:14:30] They have this

[00:14:31] attitude that

[00:14:32] we're the Rangers.

[00:14:34] So we're better

[00:14:35] than you and

[00:14:37] all you have to,

[00:14:37] all we have to do

[00:14:38] is show up

[00:14:39] and they get kicked

[00:14:40] in the nuts when

[00:14:41] they do that.

[00:14:41] And I thought

[00:14:43] a big part of that

[00:14:43] was

[00:14:45] Gerard Galant and

[00:14:46] just his coaching

[00:14:47] manners and everything.

[00:14:48] Now,

[00:14:49] not so sure because

[00:14:50] Carolina has taken

[00:14:52] complete control of

[00:14:52] this series.

[00:14:54] And if you're the

[00:14:54] Rangers,

[00:14:55] New York and the

[00:14:56] market,

[00:14:56] the media market it's in,

[00:14:57] they start believing

[00:14:58] the oldest shit.

[00:15:00] I mean,

[00:15:00] look how fast NHL

[00:15:01] and everybody who comments

[00:15:02] jumped all over.

[00:15:03] Oh my God,

[00:15:04] look at the Rangers.

[00:15:05] And I believe

[00:15:06] that gets in their heads.

[00:15:07] I think it

[00:15:07] fucks with them.

[00:15:09] And you gave,

[00:15:10] you made a big mistake

[00:15:11] by allowing that to happen

[00:15:13] because

[00:15:13] you let Carolina

[00:15:14] get back in the series,

[00:15:16] learn how to beat you

[00:15:17] and do a good job of it,

[00:15:19] settle down to that,

[00:15:20] you know,

[00:15:21] big hype series

[00:15:22] that they're in.

[00:15:22] I think Carolina is

[00:15:23] going to make this

[00:15:24] a seven game series.

[00:15:25] And I really do think

[00:15:26] they're going to win.

[00:15:27] We're going to find out.

[00:15:28] If you ask me,

[00:15:30] you know,

[00:15:31] Carolina,

[00:15:32] would you bet on them

[00:15:33] where they got one

[00:15:34] home playoff game

[00:15:35] that they have to win

[00:15:36] against the Rangers?

[00:15:37] That being this one.

[00:15:38] They won another one.

[00:15:38] I know that.

[00:15:39] The one coming up.

[00:15:39] I would take that

[00:15:40] anytime.

[00:15:41] So yeah,

[00:15:41] I do believe it's

[00:15:42] going to go seven.

[00:15:43] Mathematically,

[00:15:44] obviously still a very

[00:15:46] hard hill to climb

[00:15:47] when you're down 3-0.

[00:15:48] But

[00:15:49] really,

[00:15:50] if they go into a game

[00:15:51] seven,

[00:15:51] I mean,

[00:15:52] if ever there was a

[00:15:53] coin flip,

[00:15:54] this coin would be

[00:15:55] heavily weighted on one

[00:15:56] side with the

[00:15:56] Hurricane logo.

[00:15:58] Yeah,

[00:15:58] I would be 50-50

[00:15:59] that's for sure.

[00:16:00] Tone and I were

[00:16:01] texting before game

[00:16:02] five and I just

[00:16:03] shot it like I said,

[00:16:04] you know,

[00:16:05] the Canes win tonight.

[00:16:06] It's,

[00:16:07] I thought absolutely

[00:16:08] going seven.

[00:16:09] Like I just don't

[00:16:10] see them kind of

[00:16:11] like you said,

[00:16:11] going back to Raleigh

[00:16:12] now.

[00:16:13] Two days rest.

[00:16:14] And the Rangers had,

[00:16:17] you know,

[00:16:17] we beat them three

[00:16:18] times.

[00:16:19] Once was in

[00:16:19] double overtime.

[00:16:20] The other one was

[00:16:21] in single overtime.

[00:16:22] And

[00:16:23] the first game was

[00:16:24] just a 4-3,

[00:16:25] one goal win.

[00:16:26] It's like you have

[00:16:27] to be sitting there

[00:16:28] thinking it took us

[00:16:29] three over times

[00:16:30] to get two of our

[00:16:31] wins.

[00:16:32] Like these guys

[00:16:33] just routed us.

[00:16:34] I mean the last

[00:16:35] game,

[00:16:35] especially in the

[00:16:36] third period.

[00:16:37] I don't know what

[00:16:37] some of these guys

[00:16:38] on that.

[00:16:39] That looked like

[00:16:40] the devil's playing.

[00:16:41] Like just letting

[00:16:41] these teams walk

[00:16:42] all over like

[00:16:43] Panarin on that

[00:16:45] Spetsnikov goal.

[00:16:46] Like Panarin didn't

[00:16:47] back check at all.

[00:16:48] I'm like,

[00:16:49] is that Jack Hughes?

[00:16:50] No,

[00:16:50] oh no,

[00:16:50] it's Panarin.

[00:16:52] You know,

[00:16:52] actually Jack does

[00:16:53] a better job

[00:16:53] than that play.

[00:16:55] You know,

[00:16:55] the Martinook goal.

[00:16:56] He's wide open

[00:16:57] in the slot.

[00:16:57] Like just these

[00:16:58] breakdowns

[00:16:59] out of nowhere

[00:17:00] and like their

[00:17:01] top guys again,

[00:17:03] not this is what

[00:17:03] happens with

[00:17:04] top heavy teams.

[00:17:05] You take them

[00:17:06] out of the game

[00:17:07] and they're very

[00:17:09] there.

[00:17:09] It's much harder

[00:17:10] for them to win.

[00:17:10] I mean look at

[00:17:11] Edmonton,

[00:17:12] you know,

[00:17:12] I mean you

[00:17:14] keep Connor McDavid.

[00:17:15] They have

[00:17:15] Leon Drysaddle

[00:17:16] who's just

[00:17:17] having a

[00:17:18] ridiculous series.

[00:17:19] Somebody on

[00:17:19] Twitter,

[00:17:20] I don't know who,

[00:17:21] some devil fan

[00:17:22] wrote this whole thing

[00:17:23] about how he would

[00:17:23] take Jesper Bratt

[00:17:25] over Leon Drysaddle.

[00:17:26] And he

[00:17:27] put a bunch of

[00:17:28] stats and numbers

[00:17:29] to his point

[00:17:30] and I didn't even

[00:17:31] finish reading

[00:17:32] and I'm like,

[00:17:32] that's just

[00:17:33] like,

[00:17:33] no.

[00:17:35] You can love your player

[00:17:36] and that's great

[00:17:36] and there's underlying

[00:17:37] stats that show

[00:17:38] that he's a better

[00:17:39] player than maybe

[00:17:39] some of the numbers,

[00:17:40] but then you just

[00:17:41] got to be realistic

[00:17:42] and use your eyes.

[00:17:43] I mean come on.

[00:17:44] It's Leon Drysaddle

[00:17:45] who's the best

[00:17:46] playoff performer

[00:17:47] in these playoffs.

[00:17:48] I mean the guy

[00:17:49] is ridiculous,

[00:17:49] but we'll talk about

[00:17:50] that series a little bit,

[00:17:51] but back to the

[00:17:52] Carolina series,

[00:17:52] like,

[00:17:54] I mean,

[00:17:54] and Ranger fans,

[00:17:56] like,

[00:17:56] you know,

[00:17:57] they had a,

[00:17:57] they were down

[00:17:58] one goal in the third

[00:17:59] after the Schmetzkoff

[00:18:00] because they're

[00:18:00] bowing them

[00:18:01] and people are leaving.

[00:18:03] I didn't even see that.

[00:18:04] They were actually

[00:18:04] bowed already.

[00:18:05] Oh yeah.

[00:18:06] Wow.

[00:18:06] You have a

[00:18:06] 3-1 series

[00:18:08] lead

[00:18:09] at that point.

[00:18:10] Even if you

[00:18:11] lose that game,

[00:18:12] you have two

[00:18:13] more chances.

[00:18:14] The odds of

[00:18:15] Carolina winning

[00:18:15] four in a row

[00:18:16] is really,

[00:18:17] really slim.

[00:18:18] Like,

[00:18:18] you still,

[00:18:19] if I'm a Ranger fan,

[00:18:20] I still feel

[00:18:21] good enough that

[00:18:22] my team is

[00:18:23] at least good enough

[00:18:24] to win one game,

[00:18:25] right?

[00:18:25] I mean,

[00:18:26] you have to.

[00:18:27] That's what I was

[00:18:27] going to ask you.

[00:18:27] I mean,

[00:18:28] you know,

[00:18:28] you know that's

[00:18:28] the line,

[00:18:29] right?

[00:18:29] When you win

[00:18:30] the first three

[00:18:31] and you start to lose,

[00:18:33] you're going to have

[00:18:33] a bunch of guys

[00:18:33] at the podium saying,

[00:18:34] you know,

[00:18:35] we put ourselves

[00:18:35] in a good position.

[00:18:36] We're all we got

[00:18:36] to do is win

[00:18:37] one of the next four.

[00:18:38] You know,

[00:18:39] we're okay

[00:18:40] because we got

[00:18:40] ourselves here.

[00:18:42] But in reality,

[00:18:43] right,

[00:18:43] they have to be

[00:18:44] thinking,

[00:18:45] oh my God,

[00:18:45] Carolina is coming

[00:18:46] and they're coming hard.

[00:18:47] Oh yeah.

[00:18:50] They're kind of hiding

[00:18:51] their fear and you

[00:18:52] can see it.

[00:18:54] They lose the first

[00:18:54] game and they're like,

[00:18:55] this is great.

[00:18:56] Nobody wants to win.

[00:18:58] Two sweeps are bad.

[00:18:59] You know,

[00:18:59] first of all,

[00:19:00] winning seven in a row

[00:19:01] was great.

[00:19:02] And that was the,

[00:19:02] you know,

[00:19:03] the omen of

[00:19:04] a guaranteed cup.

[00:19:05] If you listen to

[00:19:06] the Ranger fans,

[00:19:07] okay,

[00:19:08] but then somehow

[00:19:09] losing the eighth

[00:19:09] game is even a

[00:19:10] bigger guarantee

[00:19:11] when in the cup.

[00:19:12] Okay.

[00:19:13] Then they,

[00:19:14] you know,

[00:19:14] lose another game.

[00:19:16] So what do they say now?

[00:19:17] Well,

[00:19:17] this is really good.

[00:19:18] This is going to give us

[00:19:19] the

[00:19:20] adversity that we're going

[00:19:21] to,

[00:19:22] we'll have to see

[00:19:23] what they say.

[00:19:24] Like,

[00:19:24] oh,

[00:19:25] we won a game seven

[00:19:26] the whole way,

[00:19:26] you know.

[00:19:27] Who doesn't want to

[00:19:28] play at home

[00:19:29] for the whole thing,

[00:19:30] a game seven?

[00:19:31] Exactly.

[00:19:31] Ranger fans,

[00:19:32] that's what it doesn't,

[00:19:34] Rangers themselves,

[00:19:35] they don't,

[00:19:36] of course,

[00:19:36] you know,

[00:19:36] if it comes to it,

[00:19:38] sure,

[00:19:38] you're happy

[00:19:38] it's at MSG,

[00:19:39] but you don't ever

[00:19:40] want it to get there.

[00:19:41] I said to you guys,

[00:19:44] I can't even remember

[00:19:45] what the hell

[00:19:46] I was about to

[00:19:46] freaking say.

[00:19:48] Oh my God.

[00:19:49] Comes and goes.

[00:19:50] Yeah,

[00:19:51] like I swear,

[00:19:52] the older I get,

[00:19:53] shit just falls

[00:19:54] out of my head.

[00:19:55] Carolina is far too

[00:19:57] dangerous to let back

[00:19:58] in the series this way.

[00:20:00] You were better off

[00:20:02] going win-loss

[00:20:03] with Carolina.

[00:20:04] Doing this kind of like,

[00:20:06] giving them this kind of

[00:20:08] light and now going home.

[00:20:09] They're just too good.

[00:20:11] And I said to you guys,

[00:20:12] I'm real curious,

[00:20:13] and this is before they lost,

[00:20:14] when they were seven

[00:20:15] and 0 in the playoffs,

[00:20:16] and I said to you guys,

[00:20:17] I'm real curious to see

[00:20:18] how they're going to play.

[00:20:19] Then once they get

[00:20:20] punched in the mouth,

[00:20:21] when a team actually

[00:20:22] beats them,

[00:20:23] I want to see

[00:20:23] how they come back.

[00:20:24] And the team beat them

[00:20:25] and then they came back

[00:20:26] like that.

[00:20:27] Like dude,

[00:20:28] that's not a sign of a team

[00:20:29] that's going to win the cup.

[00:20:30] Florida Panthers tomorrow night,

[00:20:32] that's the team

[00:20:33] that has a chance

[00:20:34] to win the cup,

[00:20:35] because I have no doubt

[00:20:36] in my mind that they're

[00:20:37] going to just roll

[00:20:38] Boston tomorrow.

[00:20:39] They're pissed that

[00:20:40] they blew that game

[00:20:41] yesterday.

[00:20:41] And they're the type of team

[00:20:43] that can just take it

[00:20:44] to a different level.

[00:20:45] And they believe

[00:20:46] in themselves.

[00:20:47] I mean, they're the most complete

[00:20:48] hockey team I've seen

[00:20:49] in a really,

[00:20:50] really long time.

[00:20:51] And if this Stanley Cup final

[00:20:52] is not Florida Dallas,

[00:20:54] I'm going to be a little

[00:20:55] disappointed because

[00:20:56] not because they're

[00:20:57] the teams I like the most,

[00:20:58] but they're the two best teams.

[00:21:00] That would be such a great series.

[00:21:02] They're a hard working team.

[00:21:03] They work very hard.

[00:21:04] They all know the rules,

[00:21:05] just like Carolina.

[00:21:06] And then Florida's got

[00:21:07] two more things.

[00:21:08] They got better goaltending.

[00:21:10] And they have that factor

[00:21:12] that Kuchuk brings

[00:21:13] that nobody really in Carolina,

[00:21:15] as good as they are,

[00:21:16] that type of quality to them.

[00:21:18] So like, that's where you put Florida

[00:21:20] ahead of Carolina.

[00:21:22] But they are similar

[00:21:24] in a lot of ways.

[00:21:25] They both are

[00:21:26] hard working teams,

[00:21:27] very professional,

[00:21:28] very workman-like.

[00:21:29] It's rare they're going to

[00:21:30] turn in a lame performance

[00:21:32] and definitely not two in a row.

[00:21:34] I agree.

[00:21:35] And I think Carolina can end up

[00:21:37] being a really dangerous team

[00:21:38] if they make it out of the series.

[00:21:40] What that can do for them

[00:21:42] coming back,

[00:21:44] all, you know,

[00:21:46] in terms of purposes,

[00:21:47] completely dead to rights

[00:21:48] and win this thing.

[00:21:49] If they do that, then yeah,

[00:21:51] I think them and Florida

[00:21:52] would be a fucking really good series.

[00:21:54] If I'm in Florida,

[00:21:55] I am begging for the Rangers

[00:21:56] to win this.

[00:21:57] Oh yeah.

[00:21:58] I think Florida would roll

[00:21:59] the Rangers.

[00:22:00] I really do.

[00:22:01] I don't think the Rangers

[00:22:02] would have answers

[00:22:03] for how they play.

[00:22:04] Yeah, I don't think

[00:22:05] they'd keep up with Florida's emotion

[00:22:06] like that type of game.

[00:22:07] That'd be fun to watch.

[00:22:09] They are such a good,

[00:22:11] solid team,

[00:22:13] all four lines,

[00:22:14] and they can beat you

[00:22:15] any way you want.

[00:22:16] Their goal-tending is very good,

[00:22:18] but there's like,

[00:22:19] wouldn't you love to have

[00:22:20] Sam Bennett on your team?

[00:22:22] Matthew Pachuk on your team?

[00:22:23] You know,

[00:22:24] who's the captain?

[00:22:26] I can't remember his name.

[00:22:28] But, you know,

[00:22:29] there's so many great players

[00:22:31] on that team.

[00:22:32] They're just fun to watch.

[00:22:33] And I do think that...

[00:22:34] Barkov.

[00:22:35] Barkov.

[00:22:36] Thank you, Sasha Barkov.

[00:22:37] I do think that

[00:22:38] they'd win tomorrow.

[00:22:40] And I do think Dallas

[00:22:41] will be the first team

[00:22:42] into a conference final tonight.

[00:22:44] I do think they're going to beat the Avs.

[00:22:45] I have no idea what the score is.

[00:22:46] You know what?

[00:22:47] Dallas has really impressed me.

[00:22:48] They were a good team,

[00:22:50] but I thought that

[00:22:51] the Avalanche would have

[00:22:52] the upper hand,

[00:22:53] and they haven't.

[00:22:54] Let me tell you,

[00:22:55] back when we were making those picks,

[00:22:57] like, I wanted to

[00:22:59] be on the Avalanche train.

[00:23:01] I don't know who else

[00:23:02] picked Dallas with me.

[00:23:03] I forget.

[00:23:04] I can check.

[00:23:05] It literally all hinged

[00:23:07] on that game I saw live.

[00:23:09] First of all,

[00:23:10] I realized the rivalry

[00:23:12] of Dallas and the Avalanche

[00:23:14] in terms of the fans

[00:23:15] that were in the stands

[00:23:16] for the Avalanche game.

[00:23:17] And it wasn't anything like 60-40.

[00:23:18] Like, it wasn't anything

[00:23:19] close like that.

[00:23:20] But the contingent

[00:23:21] of Dallas fans over there

[00:23:22] were so loud.

[00:23:23] I was...

[00:23:24] You know, I understood

[00:23:25] how big that rivalry is.

[00:23:27] But when I saw the outcome

[00:23:28] of that game

[00:23:29] and the way Dallas

[00:23:30] took care of the Avalanche...

[00:23:32] And I think up until that point,

[00:23:33] the Avalanche had a better record

[00:23:34] against them.

[00:23:35] That was just my

[00:23:36] swing vote right there.

[00:23:37] And now they have a chance

[00:23:38] to close it out tonight.

[00:23:39] I still thought they were going

[00:23:40] to go six,

[00:23:41] give the Avalanche some credit.

[00:23:42] But man, the Stars are...

[00:23:44] To me, they're the one team

[00:23:46] that is so sneakily good

[00:23:48] that no one's really talking about.

[00:23:50] Yeah, they kind of snuck

[00:23:51] under my radar

[00:23:52] to some extent.

[00:23:53] So I can see that.

[00:23:55] They're just not sexy, right?

[00:23:56] They're not Edmonton.

[00:23:57] They're not, you know,

[00:23:58] Florida Braves.

[00:23:59] Yeah, I think that, you know,

[00:24:01] Colorado just looked more dangerous

[00:24:03] on paper.

[00:24:04] But I guess I wasn't given

[00:24:05] enough credit to Dallas.

[00:24:06] They have been great.

[00:24:07] You have to look at also...

[00:24:08] I mean, what Colorado did to Winnipeg.

[00:24:10] Winnipeg, arguably the best

[00:24:12] defensive team coming

[00:24:13] into these playoffs.

[00:24:14] Right.

[00:24:15] And Colorado lit them up.

[00:24:16] Blued them up.

[00:24:17] Yeah.

[00:24:18] Blew them up.

[00:24:19] I mean, Connor Holobuch

[00:24:20] looked like he was, you know,

[00:24:21] seeing ghosts in this final

[00:24:22] press conference.

[00:24:23] He was just,

[00:24:24] I don't know what happened.

[00:24:25] Was he saying that five-something

[00:24:26] bowls against in that series

[00:24:27] that you mentioned?

[00:24:28] Yeah.

[00:24:29] It was ridiculous.

[00:24:30] So yeah, you think that

[00:24:31] they're going to have

[00:24:32] very similar luck against a team

[00:24:35] that, in my head,

[00:24:36] going into this series

[00:24:37] I didn't think was as

[00:24:38] defensively sound as Winnipeg.

[00:24:40] And Colorado hasn't been able

[00:24:43] to do anything.

[00:24:44] They figured them out somehow.

[00:24:46] They have done a good job

[00:24:48] suppressing Colorado's offense too.

[00:24:50] But at the same time,

[00:24:51] I also will use the Val Nishnukin...

[00:24:57] I'm not even saying his name right.

[00:24:59] I will use that whole thing

[00:25:00] as a bit of an excuse for the last game.

[00:25:03] These guys found out

[00:25:05] two hours before puck drop

[00:25:07] that Nishnukin wasn't playing

[00:25:09] and that he was again suspended

[00:25:11] and into the treatment thing.

[00:25:13] And this is the second time

[00:25:15] in two years that this dude

[00:25:17] has had his personal demons

[00:25:19] rise up at playoff time

[00:25:21] and really hurt his team.

[00:25:23] Now, as a hockey fan,

[00:25:27] I'm like, fuck them.

[00:25:28] This is bullshit.

[00:25:29] You can't have a guy like that

[00:25:30] on your team.

[00:25:31] And I really believe that.

[00:25:32] At the other time,

[00:25:33] he's dealing with a lot of serious demons.

[00:25:36] I do hope the dude gets well

[00:25:37] because it's not a good place

[00:25:40] where he's at.

[00:25:41] And I do hope he gets the help he needs.

[00:25:42] And the last thing he should be thinking

[00:25:44] about is hockey

[00:25:45] because he's got some serious fucking problems.

[00:25:47] But if I was an Aves fan,

[00:25:49] I'd be like,

[00:25:50] you have got to cut the cord

[00:25:51] with this motherfucker immediately.

[00:25:53] This is the second year.

[00:25:55] This is the second year.

[00:25:57] And then you find out

[00:25:58] two hours before puck drop

[00:26:00] of a pivotal game

[00:26:01] that your, at the time,

[00:26:03] highest scoring player

[00:26:05] is not going to be there.

[00:26:07] I wouldn't be shocked

[00:26:08] if Cale McCarr and Nate McKinnon show up tonight

[00:26:11] and they have a hell of a game

[00:26:12] and they maybe push this thing to six.

[00:26:15] But I don't have a doubt

[00:26:16] that Dallas is going to win this thing.

[00:26:18] I mean, I took the Aves in seven.

[00:26:21] Bobby took the Stars in six.

[00:26:24] Remember, I had the Stars.

[00:26:26] And I had the Aves.

[00:26:27] Then I went to the Stars.

[00:26:29] And then Dan talked me back into the Aves.

[00:26:31] I should have just stuck with the Stars.

[00:26:33] Why would you listen to me?

[00:26:34] That's a good question.

[00:26:35] If you took the Aves in six,

[00:26:37] which I don't know,

[00:26:39] that can't even happen.

[00:26:40] Anybody recording that game?

[00:26:42] I'm recording it, yeah.

[00:26:43] Okay.

[00:26:44] Tony took the Aves in seven.

[00:26:46] Yeah, that's just

[00:26:48] a great series,

[00:26:49] a great team in Dallas,

[00:26:50] who I think is, you know,

[00:26:52] Peter DeBoer has got these guys

[00:26:53] playing amazing hockey.

[00:26:56] There's, you know,

[00:26:57] of course, guys on Colorado.

[00:26:58] I mean, yeah, Zach Parisi didn't end well.

[00:27:01] But if this is really his last year,

[00:27:03] how cool would it be

[00:27:04] if he could go out with a cup?

[00:27:06] Yeah.

[00:27:07] If you give a shit about those things.

[00:27:09] Sure.

[00:27:10] What do you think?

[00:27:11] Like I said, I've said a bunch of times.

[00:27:12] It took me a long time

[00:27:13] to kind of get over the Parisi thing.

[00:27:15] That was like that last player

[00:27:16] that just pissed me off the way.

[00:27:18] It was more about this than that

[00:27:20] and not the team you just

[00:27:21] miss winning the championship with.

[00:27:22] But it's been a long time since then.

[00:27:24] And I've got to appreciate

[00:27:25] everything he did for the Devils.

[00:27:26] He definitely would have been,

[00:27:27] like we've said,

[00:27:28] one of the greatest Devils ever had he stayed.

[00:27:30] And it would be great to see him win a cup

[00:27:32] and would too.

[00:27:34] Just a huge fan of Wood.

[00:27:35] But I don't like Miles Wood.

[00:27:37] It's just it's not looking good.

[00:27:39] No, it's not.

[00:27:40] And then Vancouver Edmonton.

[00:27:42] What do you guys make of this series?

[00:27:44] This looks good.

[00:27:45] I mean, that's a tough one.

[00:27:46] It's going to go to distance, right?

[00:27:47] We're 2-2.

[00:27:48] 2-2.

[00:27:50] I think it's more well matched

[00:27:52] than some people thought.

[00:27:54] Some people thought.

[00:27:55] What did I pick?

[00:27:57] Edmonton and 6?

[00:27:58] 7.

[00:27:59] 7.

[00:28:00] Yeah.

[00:28:01] So I did look for a long series.

[00:28:02] I couldn't remember exactly how far.

[00:28:04] I'm still leaning towards Edmonton.

[00:28:05] I'm not going to go off that yet.

[00:28:07] Only Bobby and I took Vancouver.

[00:28:09] We're the only ones.

[00:28:11] We both took them in 6.

[00:28:12] Tim and you took them in Edmonton in 7.

[00:28:15] And Tony took Edmonton in 6.

[00:28:17] I think that was an easy one

[00:28:19] for people to kind of just assume

[00:28:22] Edmonton right away.

[00:28:24] Because from the outside,

[00:28:26] especially if you're a Devils fan

[00:28:27] or an East Coast fan,

[00:28:28] you know about the teams and what they're doing,

[00:28:30] but you're probably not watching them all that much

[00:28:32] unless you're just one of these NHL guys

[00:28:33] who watch it all the time.

[00:28:34] So you know the couple of the big names,

[00:28:37] and you've probably heard of Quinn Hughes by now,

[00:28:39] but then you're really going,

[00:28:40] wait, who else is on Vancouver?

[00:28:42] Are they really good?

[00:28:43] They're going up against David?

[00:28:45] So yeah, tricky one to pick,

[00:28:46] but that one looks like it could go to the distance

[00:28:49] and it would be pretty exciting.

[00:28:51] Big win for Edmonton last night.

[00:28:53] They sat Skinner.

[00:28:55] They went with Cal Peckard,

[00:28:57] who played really well.

[00:29:00] Now what do you think, Dan?

[00:29:03] You know this guy,

[00:29:04] Peckard is, if I'm saying his name wrong,

[00:29:07] I apologize.

[00:29:08] He's ECAHL,

[00:29:10] I believe early in the year.

[00:29:12] AHL most of this year.

[00:29:15] Third stringer really gets called up to Edmonton.

[00:29:19] Skinner is not playing well.

[00:29:22] He comes in, plays pretty decent last night.

[00:29:25] Right, right.

[00:29:26] But you know,

[00:29:27] do you run with him in game five

[00:29:29] or do you go back to Skinner?

[00:29:31] And do you have the mindset that

[00:29:34] Skinner got us this far

[00:29:36] and he's gotta be our guy

[00:29:37] and hopefully this day a rest,

[00:29:39] did him some good,

[00:29:40] let's get his ass back in there.

[00:29:42] You know, your backup just came in,

[00:29:43] he won us a game,

[00:29:44] but this is on you.

[00:29:46] You know, it totally depends on how that went down

[00:29:48] that initial conversation, you know.

[00:29:50] If there's any chance he's not 100%,

[00:29:54] if my goalie coach is telling me...

[00:29:55] No, from what they're saying,

[00:29:56] he's fully healthy.

[00:29:57] Right.

[00:29:58] Then I probably would go back to my original.

[00:30:02] And the reason is this,

[00:30:04] like there is a chance if he falters,

[00:30:09] you know,

[00:30:10] you're definitely out of your back against the wall,

[00:30:13] but the series is 2-2 right now.

[00:30:15] If he falters, you're still alive.

[00:30:18] And then you are totally in that position

[00:30:22] where I'm going to run with this other guy,

[00:30:24] it's game seven,

[00:30:25] nobody's gonna blame me for that,

[00:30:26] that makes sense.

[00:30:27] The other way around,

[00:30:28] I think is has like worse of a downside.

[00:30:31] If you're gonna go with the kid again

[00:30:36] because he played a good game,

[00:30:38] okay, great,

[00:30:39] he loses,

[00:30:42] you did not have faith in your guy

[00:30:45] and you took away that confidence.

[00:30:47] He wins,

[00:30:48] the only way that I do this

[00:30:51] is if I'm willing to make the change

[00:30:54] and put all my chips in

[00:30:55] because you will totally shake your number one's confidence.

[00:30:58] You know what I mean?

[00:30:59] So there's a little bit more of a downside either way

[00:31:03] if you go with the backup.

[00:31:05] I like what you're saying

[00:31:06] because if he wins now,

[00:31:07] you pretty much feel like you've got to put him in game seven.

[00:31:11] Yeah, now you're here for a game set,

[00:31:13] like what?

[00:31:14] You know, like that's a tough proposition

[00:31:18] where you might be like

[00:31:19] if I make the wrong move here,

[00:31:21] I had my guy who just had one bad game

[00:31:23] and I put him aside,

[00:31:25] I benched him for the series

[00:31:26] and they were done.

[00:31:27] You go back to your guy, right?

[00:31:29] I would,

[00:31:30] especially because this is not a games,

[00:31:32] if this was game six, right,

[00:31:34] and you know, not game five coming up,

[00:31:37] we're going into game seven let's say.

[00:31:40] They played well in game six

[00:31:41] and I got to make a decision for game seven.

[00:31:43] That's a different story.

[00:31:44] Game five, you're back to Skinner.

[00:31:46] Yes, yes,

[00:31:47] because I do have another chance to reload that weapon

[00:31:50] if I'm playing the backup.

[00:31:52] What about you, Chris?

[00:31:53] No, I agree.

[00:31:54] I go back to my guy.

[00:31:56] Yeah, me too.

[00:31:57] Yeah, I think you have to go back to Skinner

[00:31:59] and it's exactly the main reason is

[00:32:01] like you just said,

[00:32:03] 2-2 now, worst case scenario,

[00:32:05] you're down 3-2.

[00:32:07] Then you can just ride Picard

[00:32:09] and to the wheels.

[00:32:11] You overgird.

[00:32:12] You gave Skinner the chance.

[00:32:14] Yeah, I absolutely agree.

[00:32:16] It's not like some of these teams

[00:32:17] that have a pretty close to a 50-50

[00:32:19] where they're kind of used to that

[00:32:21] and if somebody gets hot,

[00:32:22] you're going to ride them for a couple games.

[00:32:24] This is again taking that pure number one,

[00:32:26] leapfrogging them.

[00:32:28] Right.

[00:32:29] I wouldn't do that.

[00:32:30] Yeah, I agree.

[00:32:31] I think Skinner's got to go tomorrow night.

[00:32:32] I think it's tomorrow night, should be.

[00:32:34] So the Florida-Boston series,

[00:32:39] we don't go back until Friday on that.

[00:32:41] Right?

[00:32:42] So tomorrow they have two days rest too.

[00:32:44] So I think tomorrow is only Boston and Florida.

[00:32:49] Tomorrow's the Rangers.

[00:32:51] Oh, I'm sorry.

[00:32:52] Rangers, Carolina.

[00:32:53] Is it also Vancouver,

[00:32:54] Edmonton tomorrow?

[00:32:55] Yes, it is.

[00:32:56] Cool, nice.

[00:32:57] Yeah.

[00:32:58] So you had those two games.

[00:32:59] And then Friday would be the stars

[00:33:01] in Avalanche if needed

[00:33:02] and the Panthers and Browns.

[00:33:03] The worst thing about the final is the final

[00:33:06] is the worst round as far as being a fan

[00:33:08] because you get hockey every other day.

[00:33:10] It's just one series.

[00:33:11] Like being a fan when your team's not in it,

[00:33:14] this is the best time of the year.

[00:33:15] You have hockey, especially the first round,

[00:33:17] multiple games on every day to one in the morning.

[00:33:20] It's amazing.

[00:33:21] Yeah, I was already sitting here

[00:33:23] in the second round going,

[00:33:24] I thought there'd be more hockey today.

[00:33:26] Exactly.

[00:33:27] Like last night it was just the Florida game.

[00:33:28] I'm like,

[00:33:29] There's four games in the last two days.

[00:33:31] I'm like,

[00:33:32] I'm looking for more.

[00:33:33] I know.

[00:33:34] So the play,

[00:33:36] the goaltender interference play

[00:33:38] in Florida and Boston,

[00:33:39] you guys have seen this, right?

[00:33:40] Yeah, I mean, it was.

[00:33:42] They missed the call there.

[00:33:44] Right, and they came out

[00:33:45] and they said that yes,

[00:33:49] it should have been a penalty,

[00:33:51] but they missed the penalty,

[00:33:54] but we can't reverse the call of a goal on the ice

[00:33:59] because they believe that the NHL comes out

[00:34:02] and they say that yes,

[00:34:04] they missed the call.

[00:34:05] It should have been a penalty.

[00:34:06] It should have been a goaltender interference,

[00:34:08] but we can't reverse the call on the ice

[00:34:12] because we don't believe that.

[00:34:15] Now I don't know what would have happened

[00:34:17] if they did reverse the play on the ice,

[00:34:19] the goal on the ice,

[00:34:20] the day after it happens.

[00:34:22] I have no idea.

[00:34:23] What do they replay the game?

[00:34:24] Is it played under protest?

[00:34:26] What happens?

[00:34:27] You got to do it.

[00:34:28] Do you know the penalty in the next game?

[00:34:30] Here's what I call bullshit on this.

[00:34:32] They could have reviewed it from Toronto.

[00:34:34] They did.

[00:34:35] They did all the time.

[00:34:36] All the time.

[00:34:37] Yeah, and they did.

[00:34:38] So if they mess it up in Toronto,

[00:34:40] it's over and they really don't have an excuse.

[00:34:43] They can't reverse because what they said

[00:34:46] at the time of the game was

[00:34:48] because there was no penalty on the play,

[00:34:52] they can't reverse the goal.

[00:34:54] That's what they were saying.

[00:34:56] They don't reverse goals when there's no penalty.

[00:34:59] They do that all the time.

[00:35:00] I understand.

[00:35:01] It's whether it crossed the line.

[00:35:03] And what they're saying now is

[00:35:05] it doesn't matter if it was goal-tenor interference

[00:35:08] because Jeremy Swamen wouldn't have been able

[00:35:11] to get to that fucking time.

[00:35:13] That's not true.

[00:35:14] You can't say that.

[00:35:15] Right, you can't make that assumption.

[00:35:17] So I guess they're...

[00:35:18] I mean this to me is so freaking ridiculous

[00:35:20] that they could turn around...

[00:35:22] Like I get it in football where you say

[00:35:24] this was an uncatchable ball.

[00:35:26] I can't call pass interference.

[00:35:27] What do you mean it was uncatchable?

[00:35:29] It was thrown 20 yards outside the line of scrimmage.

[00:35:31] You know what I mean?

[00:35:32] It's a little more under the eye you can see.

[00:35:35] Right, it was 25 feet in the air.

[00:35:37] Nobody's...

[00:35:38] Unless you had a rocket up your ass is catching it.

[00:35:40] So both of the professors have to move

[00:35:41] about one foot to his right.

[00:35:43] Right, how do you make that...

[00:35:44] Just before he tries to make that movement

[00:35:45] which he's very capable of,

[00:35:46] he gets bumped by another player.

[00:35:48] So how do you make that decision in hockey?

[00:35:51] I can't see how you could do that.

[00:35:52] It's a disproportionate excuse.

[00:35:53] Honestly, if they're going to take the time

[00:35:55] to review that in Toronto,

[00:35:57] they have to get those calls right.

[00:35:59] And the whole point of being reviewable in Toronto

[00:36:02] is that most of the time you might not be happy with it.

[00:36:04] Like I hate when they review off sides

[00:36:06] and stuff like that.

[00:36:07] But it's not hard to get those calls right.

[00:36:09] Yeah.

[00:36:10] And this should have been disallowed.

[00:36:11] I had no idea.

[00:36:12] They didn't want to.

[00:36:13] They didn't want to.

[00:36:14] They don't want to disallow goals.

[00:36:15] See, that's the problem,

[00:36:16] this gray area of what can be reviewed

[00:36:18] and can't be reviewed, right?

[00:36:19] Like go back old school sports,

[00:36:21] use baseball because it's the easiest one,

[00:36:23] human element, human error, umpires included.

[00:36:26] It is what it is.

[00:36:27] You know, neighborhood play at the base.

[00:36:29] Did he get him? Did he not?

[00:36:30] Tiger's the runner, all that kind of stuff.

[00:36:32] It was just kind of a more pure way of playing the game.

[00:36:35] But now you throw in these rules as to when you can

[00:36:37] and cannot challenge something

[00:36:39] and you just brought up the exact reason why it's bullshit.

[00:36:42] You can't not reverse a penalty that wasn't called,

[00:36:44] but you can take a goal back

[00:36:46] because the guy was an ass hair off sides.

[00:36:48] It makes no sense.

[00:36:50] Absolutely not.

[00:36:51] And here's the thing,

[00:36:52] if it's not reviewable, then don't review it.

[00:36:54] You reviewed it.

[00:36:55] You reviewed it and then say, well, it's no goal.

[00:36:58] Then oh yeah, we should have.

[00:36:59] Well, it wasn't goal.

[00:37:00] I mean, Jim Montgomery challenged the goal,

[00:37:03] saying that it was goaltender interference.

[00:37:05] Now this is what I understand because unless I missed-

[00:37:07] If you can't do that, then don't, then say no, Paul.

[00:37:10] We're not going to send it to Toronto

[00:37:11] because that's illegal for us to challenge this

[00:37:14] because we didn't call a penalty on it.

[00:37:16] That's basically what the NHL is saying.

[00:37:18] But they reviewed it.

[00:37:19] They allowed it, which is crazy.

[00:37:22] And they're saying that there's no, at first,

[00:37:24] like no, the goal is good because Charlie Coyle

[00:37:27] ran into Swamen and there was no other penalty on it.

[00:37:31] So that's a good goal.

[00:37:32] Oh, they didn't see Coyle get pushed.

[00:37:34] I don't know how you don't see, you know-

[00:37:37] It's been up on my replay.

[00:37:39] I don't know about you guys.

[00:37:40] I mean, it's ridiculous how they missed that.

[00:37:44] And yeah, if I'm Boston man, I'm livid over that.

[00:37:46] That is just-

[00:37:47] And then to have like an answer

[00:37:49] that I don't think anybody really understands,

[00:37:52] like the NHL saying that, I've never heard them say,

[00:37:55] he wouldn't have been able to make that play.

[00:37:58] Like, he's Jeremy Swamen.

[00:38:01] He's been the best goalie in the league.

[00:38:02] Who the fuck are you to say

[00:38:03] whether or not he was getting over

[00:38:04] if Charlie Coyle wasn't there?

[00:38:06] You know?

[00:38:07] I mean, I think Sam Bennett, you know,

[00:38:09] would have probably not scored that goal.

[00:38:11] That's actually a slap in the face comment

[00:38:13] because that wasn't the point anyway.

[00:38:15] Right.

[00:38:16] That's not for you to even discuss.

[00:38:18] It's weird because they were talking about

[00:38:20] possibly reversing the goal.

[00:38:22] And I was like, I don't know how to-

[00:38:24] How could you do that?

[00:38:26] Well, after the game?

[00:38:28] Yeah.

[00:38:29] That's insanity.

[00:38:31] We started a suspended game or something like that.

[00:38:33] How many goals were they up by

[00:38:35] did they win that game by?

[00:38:36] Two?

[00:38:38] I think Florida won by two.

[00:38:39] What's the remedy?

[00:38:40] To have them start the next game up a goal?

[00:38:42] No, so I guess in the final box score

[00:38:44] instead of it being five to three,

[00:38:46] it would be four to three.

[00:38:48] You know what I mean?

[00:38:49] It's like somebody's bonuses, I guess.

[00:38:50] But that's about it.

[00:38:51] I don't understand it.

[00:38:52] If someone's listening and you have a way

[00:38:54] to explain it a little bit better

[00:38:56] of how the NHL tried to make sense of this,

[00:38:58] please let us know because we're just stupid here.

[00:39:00] And on the other hand,

[00:39:01] I almost don't even want to hear it

[00:39:02] because it doesn't make sense

[00:39:04] if you're going to allow them to review it.

[00:39:06] You can't then say, oh, we shouldn't allow you to review it.

[00:39:08] Oh, and by the way,

[00:39:10] you couldn't have done it anyway

[00:39:11] because I got a crystal ball.

[00:39:13] It's ridiculous.

[00:39:15] It really is.

[00:39:16] Did you guys hear about this new three-on-three hockey league?

[00:39:21] Yeah, what is the...

[00:39:22] I just came from a three-on-three hockey league.

[00:39:24] Did you really?

[00:39:25] U10.

[00:39:26] Yeah.

[00:39:27] That's a lot of fun.

[00:39:28] It's probably not the one you're talking about.

[00:39:30] It's getting a lot of popularity in men's leagues and everything.

[00:39:31] No.

[00:39:32] That's the one.

[00:39:33] So this is an article on RMNB

[00:39:38] by Chris Cerullo.

[00:39:43] Since this article's publication has removed his what?

[00:39:46] Several concerning...

[00:39:48] I just got this.

[00:39:49] Since the article's publication,

[00:39:51] Steve Dangle has removed his original report

[00:39:54] noting that he received several concerning reports

[00:39:57] that raised doubts about several of the facts contained in his report.

[00:40:01] So then he wrote,

[00:40:02] yesterday I posted a video reporting on a new three-on-three hockey league

[00:40:06] in North America.

[00:40:07] Today I've received several concerning reports

[00:40:09] that raised doubts about several of the facts contained in this report

[00:40:12] and have decided to delete the report on all platforms.

[00:40:15] So you know what?

[00:40:16] We're not going to read about this.

[00:40:17] Okay.

[00:40:18] Because I think it's all bullshit.

[00:40:19] His name is Dangle,

[00:40:20] and he puts his report out,

[00:40:21] and it doesn't really happen,

[00:40:23] and his name is Dangle.

[00:40:24] He's dangling it out there.

[00:40:25] Right?

[00:40:26] My name is Chris Clicnate.

[00:40:30] So let me ask you this.

[00:40:31] Is it actually a league,

[00:40:33] and this guy still totally screwed up his report?

[00:40:35] I don't know.

[00:40:36] I'm so disgusted by it.

[00:40:38] Read Steve Coctease's original report.

[00:40:41] His original report that we think is all bullshit now.

[00:40:46] It turns out it was super high when I wrote that.

[00:40:49] Some potentially major professional hockey news dropped on Thursday night,

[00:40:53] according to Steve Dangle,

[00:40:55] with an exclusive scoop.

[00:40:57] So he made this whole fucking thing up.

[00:40:59] This is where I'm going with this.

[00:41:01] It's not even his real name.

[00:41:02] A brand new, fully three-on-three pro hockey league

[00:41:06] is coming to North America this fall.

[00:41:08] The league named Major League Hockey

[00:41:10] seeks to take advantage of the NHL's three-on-three overtime format,

[00:41:14] which has led to exciting finishes

[00:41:16] since being adopted before the 15-16 season.

[00:41:19] Dangle revealed that the league will be made up of 16 teams

[00:41:22] with 14 players, 12 skaters, and two goalies on each team.

[00:41:26] When I first read this real quick,

[00:41:28] I'm just going to tell you what he wrote.

[00:41:29] I thought, wow, I didn't hear anything about this,

[00:41:32] and it seems like it is a very well-put together fucking league.

[00:41:37] This sounds awesome.

[00:41:39] But when you hear what I'm going to read,

[00:41:41] this dude made it all up.

[00:41:42] The 16 teams will be located in both Canada and the United States

[00:41:46] in the following regions.

[00:41:47] British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Quebec, Ontario,

[00:41:51] New York, California, Minnesota, Arizona, Missouri,

[00:41:55] New England, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, and Florida.

[00:41:59] There's no information yet on which cities will be getting teams

[00:42:03] or what buildings they'll play at two of the regions.

[00:42:06] That's how it works.

[00:42:07] You pick a state, and then you'll find a city, right?

[00:42:09] Yeah.

[00:42:10] Two of the regions will be getting two teams.

[00:42:13] Do you have ice?

[00:42:14] This is craziness that this dude made this all up.

[00:42:18] Dangle also states that the MLH, like the NHL,

[00:42:22] will have a salary cap.

[00:42:23] Each team will be able to spend up to $30 million,

[00:42:26] meaning players across the league will make on average of $2.1 million

[00:42:30] if all teams spend up to the cap.

[00:42:32] All 16 teams will be allowed to sign three marquee players

[00:42:36] with professional experience in North America, Europe, or Russia.

[00:42:40] The rest of the roster will be rounded out with players

[00:42:42] from the college hockey ranks and the US and Canada major junior players

[00:42:46] from around the world and qualified women's players.

[00:42:49] 2018 Stanley Cup champion with the Wildcats

[00:42:52] and the New York City Cup champion with the Washington Capitals,

[00:42:55] Devontae Smith-Pelly, replied to Dangle's tweet of the news with interest.

[00:43:00] And he announced his retirement from pro hockey last year,

[00:43:03] but he did write on back on a tweet with this article attached.

[00:43:10] Additionally, every single win a team gets will net them

[00:43:13] a bonus of $100,000 spread evenly among the coaches and players.

[00:43:17] The salary cap news alone means the league will be paying

[00:43:21] $100,000 worth of wages to its players,

[00:43:23] and that does not include additional contracts for coaches,

[00:43:26] other team personnel, or these bonuses.

[00:43:28] So this is not a league.

[00:43:30] He's hoping to maybe get investors, I'm guessing.

[00:43:34] You're telling me this new league will have teams with a $30 million salary cap,

[00:43:38] which is kind of like where the NHL was what?

[00:43:41] Ten years ago after being in the league for 100 years?

[00:43:44] Well, do you want to know where they're getting their money?

[00:43:47] Anybody want to take a guess?

[00:43:49] It's not hookers, it's not crack.

[00:43:51] I'm going to have to repeat that.

[00:43:54] Oh my god.

[00:43:55] Can you hear me okay?

[00:43:57] It's from professional wrestling.

[00:43:58] Well where do you think they're getting their money from?

[00:44:00] Now I can't.

[00:44:01] It's not hookers, it's not crack.

[00:44:03] Steve and Ben.

[00:44:04] No, no, no.

[00:44:05] Seriously, where do you think they might be getting their money from?

[00:44:07] Think about other sports.

[00:44:09] Think about other sports and what other sports are kind of,

[00:44:11] whose money they're starting to use,

[00:44:13] new leagues that are maybe popping up here and there.

[00:44:16] Public money.

[00:44:17] The mountain of capital required to fund that sort of operation

[00:44:20] leads to a further report from the hockey news's Jacob Stoller.

[00:44:23] Jacob Stoller says that he has heard that a good chunk of the

[00:44:26] venture funds is coming from Saudi Arabia.

[00:44:29] Bauer, one of the leading ice hockey equipment manufacturers,

[00:44:32] also reportedly involved to some extent.

[00:44:35] So I guess that this is some truth to this?

[00:44:39] That Bauer's involved, right?

[00:44:42] I don't know.

[00:44:44] Alan Walsh, one of the most well-known agents for NHL players,

[00:44:48] also tweeted out that he had heard the venture has significant

[00:44:51] financial backing.

[00:44:52] The Saudi government has placed its stake in many large sporting

[00:44:55] arenas over the past decade,

[00:44:57] including major ventures into professional wrestling, soccer and golf.

[00:45:00] The league's games will not be as long as your regular NHL contest.

[00:45:03] They'll instead wrap up after just 24 minutes of play with one

[00:45:07] intermission separating two halves.

[00:45:10] So two 12-minute halves?

[00:45:12] Okay, now here's where I'm starting to have a real problem with this.

[00:45:15] First of all, the 3 on 3 format has been used forever for young

[00:45:18] kids up as they're learning.

[00:45:20] I just came from one where we had three 16-minute periods and two

[00:45:25] intermissions.

[00:45:26] Why would you do a professional league with 24 total minutes of hockey?

[00:45:29] Who would go to a game that you're only there for 24 minutes?

[00:45:32] It's not worth the traffic.

[00:45:34] No.

[00:45:35] No, it doesn't sound like...

[00:45:37] But otherwise, it sounds like an awesome fun league to watch.

[00:45:40] I get an XFL vibe from it.

[00:45:42] I think it would be kind of gimmicky, but fun.

[00:45:45] Definitely be fun to watch just some different type of hockey.

[00:45:47] I think it would never be NHL.

[00:45:49] I think that would be gimmicky.

[00:45:50] We'll put some ramps and little quarter pipes up there on the ice.

[00:45:52] That's actually an excellent idea.

[00:45:54] That would be fun.

[00:45:55] Baseball shit.

[00:45:56] Yeah.

[00:45:57] I mean, I just thought that that was pretty friggin' awesome at first,

[00:46:00] and now I don't know what's true and what's not true in this thing.

[00:46:04] Reckless speculation, Chris.

[00:46:07] Well, this was definitely reckless speculation.

[00:46:09] But that's not reckless speculation.

[00:46:10] That's putting bullshit out there for people to fucking consume.

[00:46:13] Us recklessly speculating is like, you know,

[00:46:17] we're going to trade for Brady Kachuk this summer.

[00:46:20] Oh, you are going to trade for Brady Kachuk.

[00:46:22] I tell you how nice it was watching the European League game

[00:46:30] and seeing Brady and Luke on the same team.

[00:46:32] I was like...

[00:46:33] So let me just...

[00:46:34] Before we get into something else, if we have time,

[00:46:36] I do want to get into some UFA goaltenders

[00:46:40] and a little bit about our coaching situation,

[00:46:43] but I know it's getting late and people have to wrap it up.

[00:46:46] What the fuck was I going to say?

[00:46:50] We're always saying something about the world's free...

[00:46:54] Right.

[00:46:55] The world's worlds.

[00:46:56] So I keep seeing things pop up here and there

[00:46:59] about a straight-up trade for Nico Heescher to Brady Kachuk.

[00:47:04] Now, I'm not for that, but they mentioned in this

[00:47:08] that the Kachuks do not like Heescher.

[00:47:11] And Heescher, which we know Matthew and him have had issues

[00:47:14] with the Barkov thing last summer or last year rather.

[00:47:17] But if there was truly animosity between these brothers

[00:47:23] and Nico Heescher, who gives a shit?

[00:47:27] You don't trade Nico Heescher because they don't get along.

[00:47:31] I know that it's probably one of the most even one-to-one trades

[00:47:34] you could probably come up with.

[00:47:36] I was going to say, you're really not going to consider doing that trade?

[00:47:39] Well, that's what I'm asking.

[00:47:40] If you wanted to do it just to get Brady over here,

[00:47:43] but I don't like this whole idea.

[00:47:45] I think that's a non...

[00:47:47] That's the reason to do it.

[00:47:48] It's not even a fucking reason.

[00:47:49] Trust me, if they were on the same team, they'd get along fine.

[00:47:52] That happens all the time.

[00:47:53] Exactly.

[00:47:54] You're absolutely right. They'd be fine. Squash it.

[00:47:56] Yeah, so, but what do you guys think about straight up

[00:47:59] Heescher for Brady Kachuk?

[00:48:02] Boy, that is not an easy call.

[00:48:05] Captain for captain.

[00:48:07] Bobby wanted a big splash this summer.

[00:48:09] And this is exactly the type of thing that it would be.

[00:48:12] This would be a hockey trade.

[00:48:14] Two players of immense value in slightly different ways

[00:48:18] going to different teams.

[00:48:21] It's very similar to how Kachuk's brother got traded.

[00:48:24] I mean, it was that big, but I don't know about that one.

[00:48:28] I'd have to say, yeah, button hook me.

[00:48:30] I didn't think you were going to button hook me.

[00:48:32] Right now, I would do it.

[00:48:33] I don't know that I would do it.

[00:48:35] It's not easy.

[00:48:36] I would definitely want to give more thought if it was in my hands,

[00:48:38] which it clearly is.

[00:48:39] Yeah, explain that.

[00:48:40] Right now, I would do it.

[00:48:41] Why?

[00:48:42] Because this is a sea change for the entire team

[00:48:46] in terms of character.

[00:48:49] I love a lot of things what Nico does,

[00:48:52] and I think he's a great person.

[00:48:54] But as a captain,

[00:48:56] there has always been a question mark.

[00:48:59] Is this the personality of my team?

[00:49:03] Is this the captaincy that I imagine when I see

[00:49:07] the Stanley Cup winning team?

[00:49:09] I'm not saying it can't happen.

[00:49:10] I think the Devils can win with Nico as captain,

[00:49:13] but I think that the change that it would bring

[00:49:17] with Kachuk living up to what he can be,

[00:49:20] it would add more to this team than currently exists

[00:49:23] beyond just the play of Kachuk versus what they actually do

[00:49:27] on the ice and their goals

[00:49:28] and all of the great defensive play that Nico does

[00:49:31] that there's no way he can possibly match that exactly.

[00:49:35] It brings you so much more in terms of great leadership

[00:49:39] that I think that we've yet to see from Nico.

[00:49:42] So I'm not saying it's impossible.

[00:49:45] I just think that in the end,

[00:49:47] I got to give that edge to Kachuk.

[00:49:49] I would do that.

[00:49:50] It's not easy because you love Nico.

[00:49:53] He's your devil.

[00:49:54] I think I'm sure a lot of people would be like,

[00:49:56] what are you crazy?

[00:49:57] But when I look at this team

[00:50:00] and we talk about needing more grit

[00:50:02] and where is the direction,

[00:50:04] where is this guy's work ethic this year,

[00:50:07] all these things are that they rely,

[00:50:10] they fall back on the captain to some extent.

[00:50:13] Now I know what you're going to say if you disagree.

[00:50:15] What are you talking about?

[00:50:16] One of the only people who worked just about every game

[00:50:19] his ass off was Nico.

[00:50:20] You're right.

[00:50:21] But is it infectious?

[00:50:24] And I think a captain has to be a leader

[00:50:27] and this team many times look leaderless.

[00:50:30] We blame Lindy Ruff for that.

[00:50:32] I think that's true.

[00:50:33] I think he bears a lot of the blame.

[00:50:35] I think everybody's grown off an adult

[00:50:38] and they shouldn't necessarily need

[00:50:40] some kind of great leader to inspire them.

[00:50:42] But there is a reality here.

[00:50:45] There is a reality here.

[00:50:46] And I think Kichuck could be that guy

[00:50:48] that Nico maybe isn't.

[00:50:50] That pains me to say to some extent,

[00:50:52] but here I am.

[00:50:54] Bob, tell me why that's a bad idea.

[00:50:57] I don't know that it's necessarily a bad idea.

[00:51:00] I just...

[00:51:01] Listen, Brady Kichuck brings an element to the game

[00:51:05] that I think we really, really want on this team.

[00:51:08] But I think that it is easy to think he's Matthew Kichuck

[00:51:12] and he's not.

[00:51:13] Good point.

[00:51:14] So although they have similar skill sets

[00:51:18] and similar just kind of the way they play the game

[00:51:22] that I really, really want on this team,

[00:51:24] I don't know that his overall upside

[00:51:26] is better than Nico Kichuck.

[00:51:28] And I really...

[00:51:30] If this trade were to happen

[00:51:33] and I got to sit back and watch him play

[00:51:36] more than I've seen him play, to be quite honest,

[00:51:39] maybe I would change my tune and say

[00:51:41] this guy is slightly better.

[00:51:43] That's kind of the soap opera I've been on for a long time with that.

[00:51:46] I always talk about the player just needs a tick better here and there

[00:51:49] is how you can constantly kind of evolve

[00:51:51] and make a better team.

[00:51:53] I'd have to wait and see it

[00:51:55] and then if ultimately he was,

[00:51:56] I'm sure I'd be happy like anybody.

[00:51:58] But on the surface of this one,

[00:51:59] I have a hard time with it.

[00:52:01] If it were Matthew Kichuck,

[00:52:02] I think it's a different story.

[00:52:04] But Brady, I don't know.

[00:52:06] All right.

[00:52:08] Because I...

[00:52:10] Seriously, I don't know.

[00:52:11] I don't know.

[00:52:12] I mean, yes, my initial impulsive re-reaction is,

[00:52:15] yes, I'd do anything for Brady Kichuck to be on this team.

[00:52:18] You know?

[00:52:19] So yeah, I'll get rid of him.

[00:52:20] But it is tough.

[00:52:22] Like you guys both, like Dan, you make a great point.

[00:52:25] I do believe 100% that Brady Kichuck

[00:52:29] is a lot like Matthew Kichuck.

[00:52:31] I know he's not Matthew,

[00:52:32] but we haven't seen him in that situation.

[00:52:34] Matthew Kichuck wasn't Matthew Kichuck until

[00:52:37] three years ago,

[00:52:38] Calgary versus Edmonton in the second round

[00:52:40] his last year in Calgary,

[00:52:41] where he just was a fucking pit bull out there.

[00:52:45] And I think Brady has that in him.

[00:52:48] And I think Brady is dying to show the NHL

[00:52:51] that he has that in him,

[00:52:53] that he's not just Madden's little brother.

[00:52:56] I do believe that.

[00:52:57] And I do think that he would light a fire in this team

[00:53:01] that not many players will be able to do.

[00:53:05] And I don't think Nico Heescher is that guy.

[00:53:08] I would, perfect world, love Nico not to be the captain,

[00:53:12] make the trade for Brady, have them both on this team.

[00:53:15] And you give that seat to Brady

[00:53:17] and you let Nico Heescher just be a really good

[00:53:19] two-way centerman and his own type of leader.

[00:53:23] But what Matthew and Brady Kichuck,

[00:53:26] like his dad, their dad before him,

[00:53:29] like what they bring to a dressing room is

[00:53:32] you can't measure it.

[00:53:34] It's not just about your play on the ice.

[00:53:36] It's about so much more.

[00:53:38] And you think about a level that Jesper Brat can get to

[00:53:41] and Jack can get to and Luke can get to.

[00:53:45] And like, I just think Brady being such a young,

[00:53:48] you know, upstart, awesome big,

[00:53:51] he can be one of the great player in this league,

[00:53:55] but he's in a bad situation with what doesn't seem

[00:53:58] like an extremely stable franchise.

[00:54:01] I know they just had new ownership,

[00:54:03] but they are still a mess.

[00:54:06] I don't know, man.

[00:54:07] It's a tough one because it's fucking Nico, right?

[00:54:10] Like wherever we go, if we go, you know, next year

[00:54:13] and we make it to an Eastern Conference,

[00:54:15] you'll hear that because this kind of cleans it up.

[00:54:17] But I really hope that I can hear it when I listen back.

[00:54:20] But what did you just say, Bobby?

[00:54:22] I'm sorry.

[00:54:23] What was I saying?

[00:54:24] You were saying that what he brings can't be measured.

[00:54:28] And I just, you know, oh, I was going to say like

[00:54:31] wherever we go, whether it's an Eastern Conference final next year,

[00:54:34] Stanley Cup or whatever, like it all began with Nico.

[00:54:38] He was the first pick.

[00:54:40] He was the guy that we were going to build this team on.

[00:54:43] And up to this point, we did.

[00:54:44] So it's kind of heartbreaking if you were to move on from him

[00:54:48] because I don't think that he would, you know,

[00:54:51] I think he'd be fine in Ottawa, but it's not like it's,

[00:54:54] like I just don't see a building a contender around him.

[00:54:58] I mean, I, I, man, it's tough.

[00:55:02] And I'm with you.

[00:55:03] I want to keep Nico.

[00:55:04] So I would love to do a trade that considers almost any other move,

[00:55:07] but, you know, training him to get Kachuk here.

[00:55:11] You know, I definitely don't want to lose Kichur,

[00:55:16] but, you know, if that's the question you're posing,

[00:55:19] I think I'm leaning that way.

[00:55:21] I mean, I think that if we really wanted to make a move for Brady Kachuk,

[00:55:24] we have enough capital to do it without him.

[00:55:26] I mean, I would think.

[00:55:27] I do. I do believe that.

[00:55:29] I've seen some things that I think are too weak.

[00:55:31] Everyone's just, maybe it's not, but it's like Mercer or Hulks

[00:55:34] in our tent for Brady Kachuk.

[00:55:36] I don't think it's that simple.

[00:55:37] That's what I said the last show.

[00:55:39] I said that on the last show.

[00:55:40] That was the exact thing I proposed to you guys.

[00:55:43] Oh, see? I never listened to you.

[00:55:45] I don't think it's that simple.

[00:55:47] I don't think that that gets him, I think is my point.

[00:55:50] Like, I think because the whole stock right now, nobody really knows.

[00:55:54] Everybody's down on them.

[00:55:55] That feels like a throw in at this point,

[00:55:57] where midway through last year, that seemed more like a,

[00:56:00] hey, you're getting a guy with a big ceiling.

[00:56:02] And now there's a lot of questions about him.

[00:56:05] I would love for that to happen, although I don't want to lose Mercer.

[00:56:09] I mean, I think a lot of teams look favorably on both Mercer and Hulks,

[00:56:13] and they would think that there's two guys that we can develop

[00:56:16] with the young core that we have,

[00:56:18] wherever they go, if it's Ottawa or whatever,

[00:56:20] that would interest them.

[00:56:21] That would interest them.

[00:56:22] And the 10th overall pick, especially for Ottawa,

[00:56:24] would be very interesting.

[00:56:26] If you're Ottawa now and you really have your eye on somebody in that top five

[00:56:30] and you have no way to get there, I package that 7th, that 10th,

[00:56:34] I can get this dude who I think is going to be a stud in two years.

[00:56:39] You know?

[00:56:40] Let me ask you this.

[00:56:42] Yeah.

[00:56:43] I'm going to start small and I'm going to make it one step bigger.

[00:56:46] You've got to give up, say, Nemec and the 10th for Brady.

[00:56:50] Do you do that right away or are you hesitant?

[00:56:53] I think we're going to go quicker on that, to be honest with you.

[00:57:01] I really like Nemec and I think he's going to be a really, really good player.

[00:57:05] I don't want to give up on a guy we picked, what, second overall.

[00:57:10] Like, that's a big spot, but you're getting Brady Kachuk.

[00:57:15] And I'm okay with that.

[00:57:18] You're okay with that. Okay.

[00:57:20] Yeah.

[00:57:21] So...

[00:57:22] I'm imagining good terms on that deal, too, of course.

[00:57:26] Well, I think Brady's locked up until like 2027,

[00:57:29] but it does get you out of having to pay another big contract in two years.

[00:57:35] You think you'd do it, Dan?

[00:57:37] Yeah, I think I would.

[00:57:39] What if they say, yeah, but that's actually not enough,

[00:57:41] we need another player.

[00:57:43] I mean, we have Keith Kincaid, I think we still have him.

[00:57:45] Yeah, we'll give you Keith Kincaid.

[00:57:47] All right, that's it, final offer.

[00:57:49] Would you throw Mercer in there, too?

[00:57:52] And the number 10 pick for Brady Kachuk?

[00:57:55] Holtz. They pick Holtz.

[00:57:57] You're going to want to say Holtz, and they're going to say no, I want Mercer.

[00:58:02] Okay, we dress Holtz up like Mercer, and we just pass him off.

[00:58:06] Do you think we can pull a bosom buddies on them?

[00:58:09] Yes.

[00:58:10] I think we can pull a bosom buddies on them.

[00:58:12] I don't...

[00:58:13] Oh.

[00:58:14] Yeah, Mercer.

[00:58:15] All right, how about this?

[00:58:16] Nemec, Mercer, and the 10th for Kachuk, and their what, 7th?

[00:58:21] Is that what they have?

[00:58:23] All right, wait, how about this?

[00:58:24] I got one.

[00:58:25] Mercer, Nemec, and the 10 for Brady Kachuk and Jacob Chickering.

[00:58:32] We want a defenseman back.

[00:58:33] We want Jacob.

[00:58:34] That would be good.

[00:58:35] Okay.

[00:58:36] Now you're talking.

[00:58:37] All right, see?

[00:58:38] I take that trade.

[00:58:39] All right, well we just negotiated the trade.

[00:58:41] We just did it.

[00:58:42] And we'll keep Neal Goethe-Ischer here.

[00:58:43] All right.

[00:58:44] Tom, open it.

[00:58:45] I love getting all this.

[00:58:46] All right, I like it.

[00:58:47] We'll throw in some random third round picks too, if it makes everybody happy.

[00:58:50] Yeah, we could swap some third and fourth picks later on, like they do in the NFL.

[00:58:53] That don't really matter.

[00:58:54] But that's perfect then.

[00:58:55] So it's Mercer and...

[00:58:56] We don't need Blockade.

[00:58:57] Don't worry about it.

[00:58:58] They're like, no, he's going.

[00:58:59] He's going.

[00:59:00] All right, we're throwing in Blockade.

[00:59:01] So Keith Kincaid, Dawson Mercer, Shimon Nemec, and the number 10 pick for Brady

[00:59:09] Kachuk and Jacob Chickering.

[00:59:11] I mean, not always getting a haul, but we're getting two good players.

[00:59:16] We'd probably get a pick back in that too.

[00:59:18] I like it.

[00:59:19] I like it.

[00:59:20] All right, so we are going to go ahead and get some of these.

[00:59:22] All right, so we are going to wrap this thing up.

[00:59:25] We'll get to the UFA Goaltenders on our next show.

[00:59:27] We are also on Saturday.

[00:59:29] Jersey Joe will be joining us for our draft of Spectacular.

[00:59:33] So he's going to come up.

[00:59:34] He's going to have a couple of...

[00:59:36] Maybe I told him to get like five or six good prospects that he likes, that he

[00:59:39] thinks would fit in with the Devils.

[00:59:41] So we'll talk about them, ask them a bunch of questions and go from there.

[00:59:45] We'll get to the UFAs at some point and all the other fun stuff.

[00:59:49] Tony will be with us on Saturday.

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