Quack Attack Gets Jacked

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me, how do you like the new Flensburger beach?

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Strong!

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_00]: What?

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Strong!

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: What?

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Strong!

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Again?

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Strong!

[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, strong like the coast wind and as mild as the sunlight.

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Flensburger beach, unfiltered like the real north.

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Believe me, it's more.

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Flensburger beach, unfiltered like the real north.

[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: What's up, Mr. Bob?

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: How are you today?

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I am super excited.

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: How are you?

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm okay.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we talked about earlier, just waiting for this headache to subside.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Another net.

[00:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm in a great mood.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So there was a little bit of action going on in the world of the National Hockey League

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: today so I think we'll jump into that before we jump into what we have planned for today

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: which is the start of our final Stanley Cup run 20 years ago, 20 plus years ago.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so I saw on social media, I don't know, is this true, Bob?

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: That the Devils have invited Milan Luchik in for a PTO?

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Well it certainly had everybody believing that it was true.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Twitter's all up in a tizzy about it but just at the end here it says the New Jersey Devils

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_01]: have an official statement on that and they're saying it's categorically untrue.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: His situation lies with the league.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't and couldn't sign him to a PTO.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently Stauffer, Stauffer?

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Stauffer corrected it on his Twitter later in the day.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So this was just a rumor that ran amok and apparently it is.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It was not true.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_04]: That was one of reported that it was over, sorry, missing his name here.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, that appears to be completely...

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, James Nichols, yeah.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: He's not saying it is completely false.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: If Nichols is saying it's not true then I suppose it's not true which is crazy

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: because we were talking like the one missing thing that we need on this team

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: is a 36 year old left winger that played four games last year.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's shocking we're not going to get it.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I should get at least three or four of them in preparation for it.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when I saw it I'm like why?

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people were starting to say what are we even concerning ourselves with that for

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: when we still don't know what's going on with Mercer

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and that is a very logical statement.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Mercer should be number one period.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't need a guy like that anyway on a PTO.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_01]: We have plenty of other kids of our own that can work on filling any other spots we need.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, a veteran here or there you're going to take and maybe give him a minor league deal

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: or something to security sure but not that guy.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: No, and then it was also since we're talking about Boston,

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: well, Ludwig played with Boston forever,

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think it was the guys from Spit and Chick-Lix reported today

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: that Boston offered Jeremy Swamin 4 by six and a half I think.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Ooh.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That seems low.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It does seem a little low, but if you look at it in the context of Jeremy Swamin

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and you take the fact that okay he was one of the best goalies last year in the playoffs

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: especially in that Florida series.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you pay him?

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Eight, nine, ten a million though?

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it's a four-year deal.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just mean it's low from what we've heard about what Swamin is expected to get.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it is too, but is it fair?

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's not fair at four years.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty decent contract.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean I could see maybe putting it out there knowing that the agent is going to come back

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: a little higher and settling it like a seven, you know?

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So they hear you one-one kind of thing.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It seems fair to actually where he is in his career, I mean not really proven.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a stud, he's great, but he did split time the whole time this first year being number one.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like a little bit longer term bridge, right?

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not a terrible contract for his age.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You also look if you're Swamin, what is he? 24, 25 years old?

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Something like that.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Around there, right?

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So four-year deal let's say he's 30 or 29 years old coming off of a four-year deal

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: where he made $24 million and if he is as good as we think he is

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and four years time, what's he going to get in four years when he's a UFA?

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a thing too because it'll be four years from now the cap is going to go up.

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_01]: We're already seeing what kind of money is getting thrown around there.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So he might be able to set himself up for a larger, get near that action of 10 plus.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It might be 12 for him by the time.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Four years from now maybe go tenors ago and for 12, I don't know.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I think if you're Swamin you take it.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you said maybe you get up to, you know, six, seven or seven million

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: around there for the four-year deal.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I think you take it.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Prove yourself.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think Boston is, Boston always puts a good team on the ice.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You know you're going to have defensemen.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You know you're going to be playing behind really solid defensemen,

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: really solid team defense, well coached team.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I say do it.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And listen, I'm sorry that is one of the teams I have particularly cited

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: is a group mentality of taking a little less.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Not playing for free just a little bit less helps you fill out a team

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and here's a team that's just consistently good.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually even consistently surprises you if you really want to boil down

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: through it the last couple of years.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And they can't do that if they don't have that even money kind of spread around.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that we count Boston out every off season, you know.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Every off season.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I did it again.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I just lowered them another couple of seeds.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean where did we have them this year?

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I had them third in the Atlantic.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah you did too.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So we both had them third in the Atlantic.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean even that's dropping down you know.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't really the motion.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: That was just kind of where else could they go?

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_01]: But they can surprise me again and rip off all those points.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And now speaking of contracts and big money.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Holy shit.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: We got our new deal for the Uncle Puckers.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Woo!

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You know it's crazy because like in the NFL when you get your bag

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: you're getting anywhere depending on your position.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But let's say that you're a wide receiver, top flight wide receiver.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_02]: 30, 35 million a year.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You're a great quarterback actually in the NFL.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't even have to be a great quarterback.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: If you are a quarterback that doesn't go out there and throw the ball

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: to the other team 10 times a game.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You're still going to make anywhere from 40 to 60 at this point 55 million.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: The biggest contract in the NFL is Leon Drysaddle at 14 million A.A.V.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_02]: 8 year deal at 14 million dollars.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And we just talked about Leon Drysaddle a couple of shows ago.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And how I felt like that was, that had to be the, you do not have it.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: In my opinion you lessen your chances of getting McDavid if you do not lock up Drysaddle first.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And this boy's locked up.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot of money.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: 14.5 for eight years, right?

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, is it 14.5?

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, I got it.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: 14 even.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so 14 and a half for eight years.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I wrote down but forgive us if we're wrong again.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's late.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I'm not going to get into the player deserving portion of this.

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: We all know that the NHL has got some of the most talented athletes in the world with the lowest salaries.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I get that.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's unfair.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's different than football obviously.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: They've got such a stage and just enormous amount of money.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Even baseball, you're doubling the amount of games and doubling the capacity of the facilities and all that.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of understand it.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's still a shitload of money.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's not, you know, beat around the bush or these guys are still well paid.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't concern myself at all that he is now the highest player and I don't think how that's going to affect us or what does that mean for McDavid?

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: From a business standpoint, boy, it just seems like a lot to me.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you and I were tossed around numbers.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to be exact about this to make it clear what we're trying to say but something like four of their guys are going to eat up 40% of their cap, which is really hard to do.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's future cap.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That's, I think it's right now too or at least when his new contract kicks in because he's at eight now and he's going to the 14.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's over 41%.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I forgot to write down his name.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: The other defensive stud they got who's going to want more than Darnell Nurse has already gotten 9.5.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know a guy like that.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I just think maybe a discount could have been applied if you really want to be.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean they were one went away from the Stanley Cup.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Most of their team is still intact and it will be presumably for the next few years.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But there seemed like an opportunity to maybe step back a little bit.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll just give you one example.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Then you can have the floor.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: When you look at a guy like Darnell Nurse, and again, contracts are signed at the time.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: They're signed with all the macroeconomics that are happening at the time.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So you can't fault that.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But when you look at a situation like Darnell Nurse at 9.5 million and you look at a guy like we have like Doug Hamilton at 9 million, who would you rather have?

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Because me personally, I'd rather have him at 9 million, which then means to me theoretically that a guy like Darnell Nurse should say be 8.5.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He should be under Hamilton.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: There's another million dollars you have to fill out a top quality bottom six guy.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like little money, but when you really extrapolate it out, it's pretty important.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It is very important.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And the problem does arise now when you talk about Darnell Nurse and his 9.5 million dollars.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You can say, well just trade him.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You definitely eat in some of that contract because nobody's picking up the full 9.5.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And like you said, you have Evan Bouchard coming down the pipe.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to have to get paid.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's going to demand some top dollar.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But there's still the, I don't want to call it an albatross because it's a wonderful problem to have.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know next year, Connor McDavid is going to be up.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You just signed Leon Drysaddle to 14.5 million.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So what does McDavid get?

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_02]: 16?

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe more?

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I think McDavid would have to be the guy that again would maybe say, yeah, I can get 16.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do 15.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Five.

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Just you got to curb it at some point.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But like, but you're just talking those two guys.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Those two guys are going to be 30 million dollars of your salary cap.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: 30 million.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So McDavid right now at 12.5 is 14 and a half percent of their salary and Drysaddle is another 10.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: That's 25.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But Drysaddle is going up from 8.5 to the 14 range.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So those two alone are now 30 percent.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You have Darnell Nurse that we already talked about.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually elicited at 9.25.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like another 10 percent and it's Matthias Ekholm that's going to come up.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He's getting six now, probably going to get 10 in 2026.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: When's Evan Bouchard up?

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Evan Bouchard is up in 2025.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: That might be who I'm thinking of.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So next year he's up for an extension as well.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's 3.9 right now.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's up next year and Ekholm for the year after.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: These are core players.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you mentioned Skinner too, right?

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm just saying at some point if Skinner keeps playing the way he's playing and maybe he wins you a Stanley Cup,

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: well that boy is going to want to get paid.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Right because he's only getting three million and I say only,

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: but three million for starting gold tenders relatively cheap.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to want more.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Boy, it's just, I mean then you got a guy like Adam Henrique is getting three.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He'll be out in 2026 probably won't be back.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That seems like an appropriate term for him.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But I guess it's just all in, right?

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it looks like.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But the last thing you want to do is,

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that they at least have a framework for the McDavid deal.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, because you're going to want to pay this guy no matter what.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But like if it doesn't happen in a couple of years,

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: you can end up putting yourself into a really bad situation.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: At least you know with McDavid and Dry Saddle though,

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: you're like Darnell Nurse, you look at now that's a bad contract.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: We're never going to look five or six years down the road and say McDavid or Dry Saddle aren't worth that money.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So at least you know you're going to get that production from them and they can take you really, really far.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But you can't just win a Stanley Cup with two guys.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So I just for their sake personally, I don't give a shit.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But for their sake I hope because there's a problem that a lot of teams are going to end up having.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You know players want to be paid and you know the so yeah every team is going to have to deal with it.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You can't overstate enough why it's so important then when you have your window to actually go through it and to win.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Because you know you saw it with Chicago when they were in their mini-dynasty,

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: you saw it with Pittsburgh when they kept winning eventually all the core guys want to get paid

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_01]: and very unpopular decisions have to be made.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You usually wind up keeping like those like everybody knew you couldn't get rid of Crosby or Mowke.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You had to keep them two together so there would be other casualties along the way.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Toronto I don't know how they afforded people they were going to have but I think Edmonton is going to be in the same situation.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So when you're going that all in you just kind of hope as a team that you do wind up winning one or two.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you mentioned it like a guy like Darnell nurse is probably already on their radar.

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Hey two years from now we're going to eat half his salary and get him off.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It's five million dollars more to our cap.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure they already have I know all these GMs already have road maps.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: This is what likely it's going to cost to make David.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: What if he goes a little higher?

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_01]: What if he goes a little lower?

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all semi-planned out.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The casualties come from the middle class.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: That's unfortunate because you look at a team like ours and as much as I love are like superstars

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: or even just our stars.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the middle class that puts us over the hump this year.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It really does.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Those players are the ones that win you Stanley Cups.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's that simple.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You know you saw the games look at the Stanley Cup final Florida the games that Florida held Connor McDavid in check.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: They completely shut him down and they could do nothing.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You know you're going to have in the playoffs your best teams you're playing against are going to take your best players out or they're going to try.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So you better have backup bullets in your gun because they're going to you know you go into the playoffs and a team just says okay we're going to key on Jack Hughes and Timo Meyer and Jesper Bratton that line and well then you know Nico Heesher and you know all the other guys need to score.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You take the best guys away.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to get that secondary scoring and once that you start getting that then other teams start saying well we can't just key in on this one line.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: We have to break things up and then you hopefully can get your superstars rolling a little bit.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And for anybody with short term memory regarding McDavid who had an excellent playoff run and he's still the best player in the world if you ask me the two games that mattered most where the best player in the NHL could have essentially won you a Stanley Cup effectively did nothing.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not for lack of trying like Chris is pointing out.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He just got taken care of and what I bet on McDavid any day of the week if it was like I got one game who's who I want to team of course I'm going to take McDavid but just go to show you that doesn't always matter like the other teams shot there can shut you down.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: What's your plan be what your plan C or more importantly what's your line three what's your line four.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So they've got all the skill and offensive talent in the world to come right back to where they were last year.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And again one game we're talking one game it's not like they lost in the seventh round of the finals Western Conference finals it was literally one game but he didn't win it and there's teams who have done that before and then didn't see the Stanley Cup for another 20 years.

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Well that's it you know I mean this mentality that people have because Florida did it last year and they automatically think that Edmonton is going to do it.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You know well they're just saying well look what Florida did you know they lost in the finals they came back the next year and they want it.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Anybody that's been around this game for a long time knows that rarely happens like you are there are still a nice chunk of teams in the NHL that are also trying to win the Stanley Cup and they're also really good teams and you know do I look at both Florida and Edmonton and say they're so head and shoulders above the rest of the league that they're definitely going to win the Stanley Cup.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be back there you can just sharpie them in they're going to be back in the final now it's a really really difficult thing to win so you know look at teams like matchups come into play.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and that's the other thing with the playoffs right like you can be a juggernaut of a team I'll say Boston two years ago right Boston was rolling through everybody.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The one matchup I think that they literally did not want in the first round was Florida because they just didn't match up well with them and sometimes that's all it takes to take a juggernaut out is just that bad matchup.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: We have literally watched our team get into the playoffs all the time and dreaded more than anything the first round matchup we knew that was the one team we didn't want to play.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll take all the top teams after that but whoever it was at the time and you take what you get and sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It's true matchups are a thing the way you play against certain teams are a thing.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So after we won the Cup in 2000 which we just recapped and went over.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Refresh my memory and the listeners memory of what happened to with the Devils in 2001 2002 season going forward to the 2002 2003.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We all know what happened in 2001 but we all know what happened in 2001 of course we did have a three games a two lead against Colorado in the finals lost at home couldn't close out the deal went out the Denver lost their body.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: We lost by two goals anybody who also has that game burned into their brain like I do all I can particularly remember is yeah we lost by two but I remember hitting two posts and I cannot get over that I just keep thinking what if those two inches were any different

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and we were tied nonetheless successful season successful regular season ton of points think first offensively in the league and came back close to repeating which at that point we proved was hard to do we kept Dallas from repeating I think prior to that it was what 9798 Detroit was last probably 9798 was Detroit yeah.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So you know things were were changing some moves were going to be made ahead of the 2001 2002 season but I want to mention this one article that I've had here regarding our coach Robinson at the end of the season.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_01]: This is called one more chance and it was the end of the 2000 2001 season.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't sit well with many players who are on the devil's team up three games to two against Colorado avalanche in the finals one game away from winning back to back titles devils lost six and seven and went home empty handed yes.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Can I interrupt her of course in 2000 2001 the devils were 4819 12 and three for 111 points and they were first in the Atlantic Division.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They were first in the goals for with 295 goals scored that year.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a lot of goals.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially back then.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And they were fifth in goals against with 195 in the playoffs we beat Carolina and round one in six and then we beat Toronto and seven and then we beat.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Pittsburgh in five and to get us to where you are right now after game six the loss at home devils were up three to two like you said this was the game that forced it the game seven.

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: If you remember a couple of those finals right like we had a couple of those series we had chances to close them out and we didn't.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And it took to the next game and we for some reason could not finish it out when it was the first time and after game six.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Devils were getting back on to a plane to go fly all the way out to Denver for game seven.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And Scotty Gomez looks at everybody and goes we got them right where we want them.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just taking that loss and just this is exactly how we planned it unfortunately it didn't go that way but I just wanted to share that little story.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And a little foreshadowing to despite all that offensive output of 2001 and the A line was terrific.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Towards the end of that year the A line wasn't doing as good as they were most of the year just a little foreshadowing there.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway it was during it was later during the 0203 cup run that goalie more timbro door said he would not change a thing about the way he prepared for that game seven Larry Robinson coach of the team looks back and sees a lot he would have done differently.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I made two mistakes.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Roberts had said number one when we came back from Colorado after game five I should have brought all the players to a hotel so they couldn't go back and see their friends and have their friends tell them how great they were.

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Stop and think about that for a second because I read a clip about La Mer during 94 95 we said the same thing where it was Lou Emeril said the same thing about I was just going to say to you that sounds like some players who said yes.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: When you told ready in 95 about him saying that these players were being told how great they were after the cup and sometimes you need just a drummer to drum and a fiddler to fill was during the 96 lost playoff year.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: These are two great hockey minds I think alike here.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: The guys began thinking they didn't have to do the same things they did in game five.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I made a mistake there.

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing he wishes he can go back and erase are his personnel choices for the final two games of the series.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Larry inserted Jason Arnott even though Arnie was coming off an injury.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Arnott had been hurt.

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Robinson said I think we brought him back in because of the A line and everything else.

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he was ready to play them.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Chinoff was there and had played really, really well on the same line.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Devils lost for nothing and then 3-1.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That's from the mind of Larry Robinson admitting right now a couple mistakes.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So if Arnott's not in and Sergey Nemchinov has taken his spot on the top line maybe they go and they win it in game five I mean look game six Patrick was outstanding.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's memory serves me correctly but Adam Foote killed us in those fucking games.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He had a couple of big goals and now we got his kid.

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah maybe he'll score some big goals for us one day.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So that leads to the 2002-2003 season.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Right so the beginning of 2001-2002 season.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So during the season this was the first time that Lou and Amarillo had begin to think that the A line was becoming bigger than the team when I just mentioned on the last show.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So Arnott was actually the first one shipped out.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So Arnott goes to Dallas before Langenbruner and Neuendijk.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So during the 0-1-0-2 season Larry Robinson actually got fired during that season and he was replaced by Kevin Constantine.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And also in that off season Holik left.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So now we've got player personnel moves we've got some insecurity in coaching.

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Larry Robinson even came back and still assisted I believe but that's just the type of person he is.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So now we've got Larry Gond after.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty much right down the middle with their games.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Larry Robinson that year he coached the team to a 21-27 and three record.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Kevin Constantine coached him to a 28-2 and one record.

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So Larry Robinson was around 500.

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Not going to bore us with another paragraph but right after that Larry Robinson also mentioned about that firing.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the one thing he said I basically said I wish I didn't step down so gracefully.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I really felt that the team was going to turn it around and we were going to have more success and that he should have fought harder for his job in that case.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Because this was a team that came off of two Stanley Cup final appearances.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: They did ultimately make the playoffs that year but they lost.

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy right so we talked back in 2000 and how insane it was that Lou Lamarillo fired Robbie Paturek with eight games left in the season and plugs in Larry Robinson.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Now think about how also just as equally insane it seems to make it to two Stanley Cup finals in a row.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Win one take the second one to game seven.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like you just got wiped off the floor.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: No you showed up and then you fired the guy that took you those two cups 40 something games into the year.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And he still wasn't out of it by any means.

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: We were so used to being dominant that listen I mentioned this before like for all Luz qualities he had a very short fuse and he made some bad decisions with coaching too.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: We marvel at some of the ones that worked out OK like Larry Robinson with eight games left.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But there were other like I remember this kind of off season time so you just fired Robinson and then Constantine's in and then we don't have success that year losing to Carolina believe in the playoffs.

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's the summer going into the 2002-2003 season and this is another move by Lamarillo again focusing on destroying that Align mentality of being bigger than the team.

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He thought that the Align began to think they couldn't win without each other when they weren't all playing together.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: They couldn't win on different wings.

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So now he does the final break up and he sends Cora over to Anaheim who couldn't get over the hump and were not predicted to do very well that year for Oleg Tebradoski and Jeff Friesen.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And then he hires coach Pat Burns.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He said that the team they just weren't ready.

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_01]: The young players weren't ready.

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: They needed this kind of stern task master to push them and get them ready for 2002-2003.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was right because Pat Burns did a phenomenal job with this team.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And again you know you very rarely in any sport see a coach or a general manager fire a coach to hire a similar coach.

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's usually the polar opposite of the personality that you got rid of.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was the case with Fatorak from Robinson and this was absolutely the case from Robinson to Burns even though Constantine was in there and he was extremely forgettable.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah so I mean thank you Kevin you won us 20 games and we lost a six.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It lost in six to Carolina in the first round.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So to Pat Burns and Burns was just I mean the stories especially between him and Ken Danico going into the playoffs and stuff Danico.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to talk about it when we dive into the 2003 final which we're going to start today.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But Danico hated him absolutely hated him tells the story like when he was told going into game seven because he was scratched for game six.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: When he was told that he would be playing Danico even said to Burns like I don't think that's a good idea.

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You know I've lost a step everything like that no we're putting you out there you're going to play and they would battle.

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean they fought and he said after that this season was over one of the first things he did was show up at Pat Burns's house knocked on his door and said thank you.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I didn't know I needed to be coached in my final year of hockey the way that you coached me.

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was just how he was he was a hard ass but he was one of those guys that just demanded excellence from you.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And if you gave him that he had you know you were in his good graces the utmost respect but he would not tolerate anybody just half assing it.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're right Peter Sakura goes to to Anaheim where we thought we would never see him again until that spring.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of storylines in that final you know brother versus brother we had Rob Niedermeyer over in Anaheim and Scott over with the devil.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_02]: He had Peter Sakura coming back Jeff Friesen of course you know with what he did and especially in those playoffs but it was a lot of cool storylines.

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[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You know we're exactly one month away from Game 1 out in Prague.

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[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That's exciting.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of Game 1 before you jump into the quick playoffs that got us into the finals I have a couple things to discuss about the season just to put it in perspective.

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I started off the show by saying I was excited and I'm excited because yesterday I posted our little picture on Twitter of the 2003 championship video.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And the reason I'm excited is because unlike the first two on VHS I was actually able to watch this so I got to kind of relive the entire experience in 45 minutes.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So for anybody listening I do not have a photographic memory some of the things I'm about to share with you is because I just saw it and it's fresh in my head.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's a couple of key moments during that year.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_01]: We started off very well opening night.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It was John Madden's turn right so as we mentioned Holik is gone.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_01]: John Madden is going to step in he's a three-year veteran at this point but he was kind of an older guy to begin with.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He starts off with the first goal of the year and two for the night when the Devils are off to an 11 and 18 start which was really quite well they were pacing well throughout the year.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_01]: There was a game on December 19th against Detroit who had just won the cup and we lost the game in overtime and Stevens felt like the team didn't give their all.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently he was quite pissed and let a lot of the team know about it.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's on the DVD how he was he was like I wanted to beat them I wanted to win this game this one regular season game I wanted that second point.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That's how fierce of a competitor he was Jeff Freason's on the video talking about how it sparked him I think he got two goals the next night and actually got him rolling.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So that was one of the major things that happened during the year they were they were kind of up and down during the year as far as gathering a ton of points.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Elias and Gomez in particular were not having the type of years that they were expected.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And in early January Burns decided to take Elias to put Elias back on left wing from center he was predominantly playing center that year with Gomez on his wing and he flipped it and they had instant chemistry that kind of carried him through the year.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_01]: They won 16 of the next 20 and really started to kind of play devil's high.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_01]: They just kind of took off from January on and it really became their year and you started to get really good feelings.

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just really excited because I got to you know I really want this devil's team that we have now to win again.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It just reminds me how much fun it is when you're on top.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Just a long playoff run like it's just there's nothing better and the highs and the lows and yeah I mean I didn't I when I was doing all this research and stuff there was so much that you forget you know so many little things.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah I'm with you like this team deserves it and you know what more than that this fan base deserves it there is a whole generation of devil fans that have never seen this team win.

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy and you know like I said the other night I get sad sometimes that people that are huge devil fans never saw Marty Broder play a lot.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Right like that makes me sad this makes me sad that there's no they don't have the cup and there's always that thing doesn't matter what side of the political aisle you're on doesn't matter what you believe in religious non religious whatever if you're a fan of a team.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's something that everybody can have in common so it doesn't matter all your dislikes you find that one commonality and with us and a lot of people it's this team.

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You know and they deserve it they deserve to see this team but you know what at the last 1012 years I have never been more excited about the potential of a devil's year than I am this year.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and the good thing about that is you can probably rewind the tape a couple years and we probably said it multiple years in a row and that's actually a good thing because that's progression.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah now you look at it because it was originally just progression the fact we had nothing but young kids and we were seeing them get the next step and then we had a tremendous amount of success two years ago so everybody was thinking you're going to at least maybe not match it point wise

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but you're going to be there possibly better a deeper run was the full expectation.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Then you understand what happened last year we're not going to recap all that but then you look at this year.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's when you kind of pull back on the reins and again you start to look at a team concept in a real big build and you look at superstars that are a year older you look at budding stars that are a year older I mean to stalwarts on defense.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_01]: That only have a year under their belt and now in year two and then you look at the veteran pieces that come in.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I can really kind of make this team gel so yeah year after year I'm getting more and more excited.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_02]: There's not many holes there's not many holes and they should absolutely be there at the end.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I look at every team in the Eastern Conference and this all depends of course how they play because we haven't seen it yet but the way that they're built and knowing what these guys can do when they are at their best there's not many teams that I can say are head and shoulders above us.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly think with the way this team is and how I honestly believe from the bottom of my heart they're going to be that good.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be able to be anybody whether or not they do but they will have the skill necessary to do so.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I think a big part of it's going to be Jacob Markstrom you know but again we have a defense in front of them if we didn't do anything on defense I would not be putting a lot of faith in Markstrom because it's just if we were going to play

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: a rough same horrible defensive system like he's going to get lit up I don't give a shit who you are.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Dude I'm old school we could have done nothing else and just revamped it.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_01]: We have a defense again like that's just so critical and we've got a good one and we have the potential for it to get even better down the road.

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean think about it like we didn't have Dougie Hamilton at all last year basically like I mean it's basically like a brand new player coming in and stepping on that blue line again and we all know what he can do.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_01]: 20 defensemen yeah.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so yeah I'm super excited but we have to get there but we 10 years ago or 20 years ago rather we did get there top of the mountain once again 2003 Stanley Cup.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: In those playoffs Scott Niedermeyer was the assist leader he had 16 throughout the playoffs point leaders were Jamie Langenbruner and Scott Niedermeyer both had 18 and Jamie Langenbruner led it with 11 goals.

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_02]: There were some new players like you talked about Mike Rupp was on that team Brian Gianzo was on that team.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: He was actually like 01 I think he came in I couldn't remember that he came in right after the loss to so he did play 01 or 02.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh he did OK I thought that he was a rookie but.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Quite a limited time but he did he was on those teams.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Right you mentioned Langenbruner Newen Dike Jeff Riesen guys that played pivotal roles in these playoffs in this Stanley Cup.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I have Grant Marshall and Turner Steven Simmer on that team.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Grant Marshall like unsung hero when I think 03 I don't even have to look back at the stats to know.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember a couple of really key goals just one of those guys if you're a Devil's fan you remember the name.

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not you would not even know he was on the team and we probably don't win the Stanley Cup without him.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Well we'll talk about one of those big goals because it did help us get to this point.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Right so the Devils were plus 1200 that year to win the Cup.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They were 46 20 and 6 at a 6 22 winning percentage.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_02]: They were first in the Atlantic Division.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_02]: They had goals for 216 and they were 14th out of 30 teams so they were right in the middle of the pack.

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So their production dipped a little bit from the first the last two seasons to this year.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: More of a balanced team approach.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_02]: They were definitely balanced because in goals against they only allowed 166 which was first in the NHL.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That's great.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So round one rolls around we get Boston.

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Boston that year was 36 31 and 4 they were third in the Northeast Division.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Game one well they had they were 6 in goals for with 245 and they were 24th in goals against.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even remember who their goalie was.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Game one was a two to one New Jersey win.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Game two was a four to two New Jersey win.

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Game three was a three nothing New Jersey win.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Martembro doors first shot out of the playoffs.

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah trend you will see continued throughout.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Game four Boston finally squeaked one in now we didn't play our best game five.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We know what also happened before game four.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_01]: No that was the first playoff game in 18 years and 167 straight for the Devils that Danico was a scratch.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_01]: This began the scratching of the playoffs I don't recall you mentioned him coming back in the finals.

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't recall from here on if he was in and out or out for a while but this was the very first time in 167 straight.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_01]: That is amazing.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And we lost that game so we're sitting around his fans going well of course you took Danico.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Dano out you know you're right.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah game five unlike the two seasons prior where we couldn't seem to finish him off when we had the chance.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Brodoor stepped up and got his second shutout of the playoffs with a three nothing devil win.

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So the series is over in five bro door nets to shutouts he had a nine forty save percentage in those playoffs and Jamie Langham Brunner had five goals in those five.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say what we saw here is the emergence of Jamie Langham Brunner.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He was an offensive guy for Dallas he didn't do much the year before he just exploded for this particular round and we're going to hear his name again.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah a lot of it.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So round two Tampa Bay Lightning.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Tampa Bay was thirty six twenty five and five they were first in the Southeast Division.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: They were 13th in goals for with two hundred and nineteen and they were twelve goals against with two hundred and ten.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Game one three nothing New Jersey shutout win for Brodoor is third of the playoffs right.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah game two was a three two overtime winner for Jamie Langham Brunner and they're only on game six.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Game five game six yeah they won three.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait they won this is game five.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah you had three already.

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah that's incredible.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly exactly right.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_02]: No we know this was game six.

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_02]: We beat Boston in five.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: This is game one of round two.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is game six.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Now let me just check something real quick.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The next one is Ottawa.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay so game two was a three two overtime winner by Mr. Jamie Langham Brunner which I actually have the audio for.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So listen to that.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_02]: If it looks.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh man.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's listen to that for a second.

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Slip that sink in.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_01]: All day.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_02]: All right so that was game two.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Brunner gets the overtime winner.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: That is twenty year old audio give me chills.

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it's so bad but all right and then we go to game three Tampa Bay finally feels one here they win four to three.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Game four and double.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the game that Stevens took the slap shot to the ear.

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Mmm that's right.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Almost got his ear ripped off there's blood all over the ice come up he required 15 stitches he was most definitely concussed but didn't really miss any time.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_01]: The team was surprised to see him back for the next game but it was a very scary moment and one where all of us were probably like I don't know that we can win a playoff round without Stevens.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that was scary.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah the two guys you never want to see go down was Stevens and Brodoor any time Brodoor was a little you know slow to get up we were all just like it's all right.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You always wear that goalies and groins right like I'll please.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And the man just didn't get injured so Tampa Bay takes game three four to three we're going game four that is also in Tampa and New Jersey wins it three to one.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we come go out to Tampa it's game five Devils have a three game the one series lead.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: This thing goes into overtime this thing goes into three over time yep and this is how it ended.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_05]: The other way and it came around now for Dingman Dingman jammed one of the front cut off by Albeline punched back to the board but again.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Miss Doc.

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Me too.

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Ugh.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's how we finished off.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Doc Emmerich I missed that man what a call that was just awesome.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_01]: The greatest play by play guy in any sport period absolutely hands down now we have spoken before about where we've been for some of these games Chris if I recall did we not start watching game one in your apartment I think we watched the first two periods then got in your car on the way to Atlanta.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen to the third period of game one on the drive down.

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah we were at Atlanta for the music Midtown Festival.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We go from the festival to like the one bar that was on that corner and go watch the games right yep now where are we in that bar for the game.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_02]: No we were home by then we were home by then okay and no we were still in Atlanta we weren't in the bar though because I remember we had to put on like ESPN to catch the end.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_02]: To that game because this is the one game that we didn't watch because we were at the music bar would have closed anyway.

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I mean yeah by the time we got back and everything and we were when we were in our room and we were on ESPN waiting for it and we saw that Marshall won it and triple overtime.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah we were basically in Georgia for most of that series.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah yeah just listening to music and getting drunk it was fun.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Good times so round two bro door gets one shut out and he has a nine four two save percent I think you can see what I'm leading up to is.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: At the end of game seven my biggest gripe of all will be coming so I'm just building up to that over the course of the next week or so.

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So that gets us to the Eastern Conference final against the Ottawa Senators and I have to say Ottawa was the team especially this year this was an amazing hockey club they were the president's trophy winner they were fifty two twenty one eight and one for a hundred and thirteen points.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: They won the Northeast they won the president's trophy this team was stacked.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_01]: This wasn't one of those president's trophies where you said they're a regular season team.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We were the underdogs of this team despite being second to them I guess we were first in Atlantic second to them they were they were better than us I think overall it's kind of the best way to say it.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Laleem had an absolutely incredible year and I know you're going to get into it but I don't think we had lost a game yet or the first game yet and.

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_02]: No we hadn't right not in the playoffs like I said they were amazing they were a heck of a team they beat the Islanders in five in round one and the Flyers in six in round two and now they're playing us.

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_02]: They were third in goals with two hundred and sixty three and they were fifth in goals against with one hundred eighty two so they were top five in every major offensive and defensive category they were just a stacked team.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So game one we're up in Ottawa it goes to overtime Devils lose it on a Sean Van Allen game winner Devils lose game one three to two.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Game two back up in Ottawa Devils win it four to one.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Game three we come home to Jersey is there anything you want to add on those games good buddy okay game three we come back to Jersey and bro door gets another shut out one nothing devil win.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Devils are up two games to one.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Game four still at home five to devil win now we got a three game the one lead on the amazing Ottawa Senators right and then we kind of pooped the bed game five rolls around three one Ottawa wins it game six.

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's one one goes to overtime again Chris Phillips with the win two to one Devils win.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah now this game was particularly bad because up until that moment we had been undefeated at home which I think Ottawa was doing as well and or maybe that's Anaheim we were undefeated at home and this is where we lost Newen Dike for the rest of the playoffs.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_01]: This is where we lost no so if anyone you know Newen Dike was a little bit older when he did come to us but he was still a hell of a player and he was here for a reason literally to help us.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_01]: We had already mentioned you know spoiler that was when the 2003 cup that we kind of did it without him at the end but we also had to still climb this mountain without him.

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_02]: This was a major major you know part of our team and with that game winning overtime goal by Chris Phillips it does now we have to go to Ottawa and we have to play a game seven in their building and there's some problems getting to it.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So apparently there were some transportation issues so you're really you're up three to one right this sounds very familiar.

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_01]: If you ever watch a DVD you know so you're up three to one right and then you lose and you're down three to three three momentum is clearly not on your side.

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You have just broken the record for the best three one comeback that late in the playoffs just three years earlier when you did it against the Flyers.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Now here's a team that was arguably better than you going in who looks like they're about to do the same thing to you.

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_01]: That's enough right there but now you're up in Ottawa.

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_01]: You go to get on your nice comfy team bus but there's problems and all Ottawa can get for you is a school bus.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So here's like a major league when they go out there and it's the fucking propeller planes on the runway.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_01]: They haven't ridden the school bus since probably school and they're going to school bus a school bus.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_01]: No lie it's in the DVD.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It's in the book.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_01]: They have to drive from Jersey to Ottawa and they were already when they're in the hotel.

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay apparently the training staff maybe got in a wreck or something along the way that didn't elaborate on that too much.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But you got Gomer sitting there saying you know what and all honesty start to look into these things.

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like it was three one now it's three three we're in Ottawa.

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_01]: We're riding a school bus.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_01]: The training staff is not there in our heads.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't feel good and then I don't believe they scored first in this game right Chris.

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That no they did not score first in Ottawa they did not score first blow up and then we tied up at one.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even have the goals there so Langham Brunner tied it.

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was well yeah okay like the Langham Brunner tied it and that was yeah so that's two to Langham Brunner ties it.

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So apparently in the intermission after we're down one nothing this was one of Burns's few speeches that weren't as you know hard ass.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But it had more to do with Neuendike sitting in the other room very upset,

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_01]: visibly upset that he can't be out there helping your team.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_01]: This 17 year old veteran who's one Stanley Cups and he's more emotionally engaged in this game than you guys are.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You know you can do better.

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And again Langham Brunner came over with him and felt like he was here very particularly to score goals decided he's going to do that exact thing for the next two.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_02]: No not the next oh yeah he got two in that game.

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah he got the first and the second right so now it's tied up at two we are in the third period there's a bow I think six and a half minutes left possibly two and a half minutes.

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's more like six I don't remember the exact time.

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh it was at 1746 of the third period then you know Lou made some trades and they're starting to pay off right Langham Brunner got the two and you know a couple of these new guys like this one.

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes Gary the goal counted.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Devils have a freedom to lead.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_06]: What a play by Grant Marshall but what a gap by the Senators two men went to Grant Marshall and he threaded the needle to Jeff Freezer with two 14 to go dramatically with you chances in this period.

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Look at this.

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't look at it.

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's an audio podcast so yeah two 13 left.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And if you remember to play right Marshall has the pockies in front and exactly what Clemens says right.

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The two defenders go to him.

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_02]: He threads a beautiful pass to freezing scores the goal.

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone in the building knew it.

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Two and a half minutes left you're not scoring on the Devils and that was it.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_01]: This was sweet redemption for freezing because earlier the goal that actually made it two two were out of what tied it was on a play where freezing got stripped of the puck.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It was just kind of a routine play but they were going for the win and he decided to kind of go up center of the ice clean and he got picked instead of maybe dumping it in.

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So freezing really felt it was something he wanted to atone for and sure enough he did so that's kind of the story behind the story.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember anything else about Jeff freezing.

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he was with us in like 04 or whatever but like I just remember this playoff run and it's all I remember.

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_01]: He was that's all I remember of him.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like he popped in for a year and just fucking carried this team sometimes.

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes he absolutely did.

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was just maybe he led him and Pando were point leaders with five in that series and three goals each they both had three goals each in the series.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So Pando showed up Rodor had a 932 save percentage over these seven games.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That was in the 940s.

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And one shutout they played more slacker.

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_02]: One shutout only.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So now we are at five shutouts through the first three rounds of the playoffs.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_02]: That leads us to the Stanley Cup final where we will discuss game one like we said there's a story lines here you know we have the Niedermeyer brothers we have Sakura gets traded over to summer to Anaheim and now he's back with the mighty ducks in the finals playing

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_02]: against his best friend Patrick Elias for the Stanley Cup.

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That was awesome.

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Robin Scott Niedermeyer this is game one here June 9th 2003 at the now renamed Isod center.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh God.

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah that was short lived right.

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah just to kind of back up your point here.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Freezin and Tevredosky were so excited to actually become devils because in the beginning of the year they were quoted saying like it's so nice to come and have a chance to win and like literally be have a chance for the Stanley Cup we don't get that at Anaheim you know we kind of moved up

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_01]: on back down.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's crazy here and then boom Anaheim's there and again that's the core trade was a really really big deal.

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it wasn't just the fact that the core was so good for us.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's think about the McDavid dry saddle kind of friendship right that we just talked about.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Elias and Secour were like the best of friends.

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_01]: A transaction like that could have turned Elias away.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It could have soured him.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah you know what I mean.

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And then to see Secour to go to play against him on a team that they didn't think was going to even make the finals and to give us the fight they did was quite amazing.

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And they had a good team and they were 40 27 9 and 6 they had 95 points that year.

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_02]: They finished second in the Pacific Division.

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_02]: They were 22nd in goals for with 203 but they were sixth with goals against at 193.

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_02]: This was they had a great goalie and I just went on and on about Brodor and his five shutouts well Jigar played really fucking good for them.

[00:58:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Who was their coach Babcock like Babcock coaching them round one.

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_02]: They swept the Red Wings round two they beat Dallas in six and in the Western Conference finals they swept the Minnesota wild.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So they only played what's that 14 games through three rounds J.S. Jigar that year played 65 games he had 34 wins 22 losses.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see it was 34 22 6 and 2.

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's right yes he had a 2.3 goals against and a 9 20 save percentage and eight shutouts that year going up against Mr Brodor who had five shutouts in this playoff alone so far 73 games played that year he was 41 23 and 9 he had a 202 goals against a 9 14 save percentage and nine shutouts.

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah so let's put this in perspective right now.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Anaheim comes rolling in and the entire world is getting jiggy with it.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That's all they're talking about fucking song he's you're going up against Martin Brodor who not only is already the best goal tender in the world but there's you know Patrick Wau still playing hatching still playing it's just not as clear cut but he's on his verge now of all the Jennings and Vesna's are starting to come.

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's all about Jiggy and I know they had a magical run because nobody expected to be there but it was quite annoying.

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that's what happens when Disney gets a hold of the team.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But you're right it was and you know the only thing I have to say is that during this run and especially leading up to this series a lot of the talk was where does this put Brodor if he wins his third cup right in his career where's it put him with the legends now he's being talked about like you said with everybody else.

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It's no longer Patrick Wau Dominic Haschick it's Marty Brodor.

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_02]: No now it's you might have to start leading with Brodor right because he is getting to the point now that he's just you know clutch I mean five five shutouts in the playoffs already.

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep so we had in the game one there were no goals in the first period second period roll around.

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So Devils are Pepper and Jiggy.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Freezin had again a couple really good looks the ducks go to clear the neutral zone.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Neeter Neeter Meyer brings it back into the offensive zone he passes it to Breeland who dips down below the goal line passed it up to Freezin who catches Jiggy completely out of position at 222 of the second period.

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Freezin scores his sixth of the playoffs from Breeland and Gianta first of the series one nothing Devils they're back to scoring first and that leads to the third period.

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Second goal is scored at where am I I don't have the time I don't know why sorry about that but it's from Elias and Gomez Grant Marshall scores this was a goal.

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see oh this is the one where Elias came in made a great play on Jiggy takes the shot Jiggy makes the save but the puck goes right to Elias who now Grant Marshall is kind of cutting in and Elias is face to face with Jiggy on the side of the net and he makes a beautiful pass to Marshall basically as the whole empty net to throw it into and that to nothing Devils.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got that one particularly highlighted too because of just the skill that Elias showed on that after the shot and to save the way he stayed with the play is kind of hard to explain now but he did corral it and when he hit Marshall it was just straight in this in the slot clean and Jiggy's out of position and it's just throws it right to the bumper and Marshall there.

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. Yep and it was to nothing and then the rest of the third period just you know Devils playing keep away playing defense they pull the goalie freezing second of the game his seventh of the playoffs from Colin White and Marty Brodoor gets it into the empty net it's three nothing Devils Marty's six shut out of the playoffs I think I'm counting those right am I right.

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe he winds up with eight total so I think you're right unless it was nine.

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: All right we'll figure it out. It's either his fifth or sixth I thought it was his fifth but it doesn't matter five or six it doesn't matter it's still crazy shots on goal New Jersey had 25 goals and I had 24 this was a defensive game face offs were pretty much right down the middle New Jersey 141.7% and I'm 158.3%.

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like those are you know that this was what the series was going to be it was going to be tight checking and great goal tending and you see as it gets along further further along and we'll do a couple of the games all at once but since to lay this out it takes a whole show of how we got here but yeah I mean what are your thoughts about game one.

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah so I think that it was closer than the three nothing made it appear you know it was definitely tighter than that like you said it was a competitive game. It was a goal tending game I will forever bust jiggies chops for.

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You know the awards at the end of the year he was magnificent that year but as we're going to see the greatest go attended in the world was better in every way.

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah it was it just wasn't easy like I think that we had a pretty easy run ourselves this this wasn't a difficult run to the cup. Other than other than other yeah yeah okay before auto I mean.

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah we were we were in Boston and Tampa Bay absolutely so Ottawa was the wake up call but the way we recovered and won that was all advantage doubles at this point and I'm comes in I think they're on like 11 days.

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Off I don't care who you are that's too much time that's a lot of time to sit practice is just that it's only practice so you would expect to win this game if you're the devils and then.

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You should probably expect a long series and it turned out to be they were a very tough.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You know component and yeah they played Babcock did some amazing coaching that year and he just you know the way he had this team playing which was a lot like the devils.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: They were very defensive they didn't have a ton of goals scores I mean yes Paul career was on that team and yes there were some great players but they were not built to be an offensive juggernaut.

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You know as you can tell by the 203 goals that they scored that year which was a 22nd out of 30 teams.

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: They weren't the offense and even Paul career I mean I think this was past it was.

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes this was not you know super scoring threat Paul career you still had to respect them because the name was on his jersey but it wasn't quite the same.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: No but Jager played amazing as he had a chunk of years where he played some great hockey I mean he didn't have a longevity of the career of Brodores and Haschick and Wads.

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know I don't want to call him a flash in the pan because he was Jim Carrey was a flash in the pan.

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He was better than a flash but relatively short timeline which is one of the reasons we praise a guy like Brodore and other goal tenders.

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen longevity is part of it.

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's part of the equation when you're talking about best ever you have to consider how long somebody played.

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to consider how many consecutive seasons of 40 wins and 30 wins.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just all part of it.

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I that's the one thing about this devil team and you know present look of it is I do wish we had in goal tending what we have on the rest of the team.

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: A young really good guy that you know is going to be with you for the next eight to 10 years like that's the one thing I hope there's somebody in the pipeline in the next three or four years that can kind of take that role but I mean all you hear about right is.

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know go tending they're talking about it with Jeremy Swamin who's like 24 something right like well you know when he gets to his next contract will be 30 he'll be in his prime.

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know go tenders don't really really find their groove till then like Brodore was winning cups at 2324 years old like it's crazy how much better he was.

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah listen you mentioned it in the beginning to talk about our fan base and kind of feel sorry for the kids that literally haven't seen Brodore play.

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: We're full in the South right now because this is what we've been covering for the last few weeks you know there's no hockey talk about it and I'm watching some of these old clips and.

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: My God I mean we just were so spoiled the guy was so good night after night 70 plus games making saves he had no business saving well really was worth the ticket.

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we talked about last time I think we mentioned like think about how many devil games you've been to that he wasn't the one in net now and we're back in those days at least I was going maybe you were going a few little bit more but around 20 games a year.

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You know we were going to have a max for me to you.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so you know anywhere from 15 to 20 games a year we weren't seasoned ticket holders but we talked about it to be for prices exactly 20 bucks so we would just go so.

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The every night that we went he was 99% of the time in net I don't remember any games where we just lost because he had a shit game like I just don't ever remember him like he always played great yeah didn't win all the time absolutely we've been the tons of losses but you know whenever five one Marty was pulled I know it's.

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Happened we've seen it probably in there but yeah but like I don't nothing sticks out you know nothing sticks in my head that like you know and even a bad stretch right like yeah we'll be okay if Marty just finds his game again things like that.

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That I can say I don't recall ever a bad it was consistent you know his whole fucking career I mean yes later on of course I'm talking about his prime from his rookie year to you know.

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Even when he got all two years or so before you left people were you know maybe you know making fun of his girth so to say he was still like beating Henry Lunkwist in a playoffs in 2012 like.

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The guy was just flat out amazing he was just out amazing I just like I said I wish that we had somebody in the pipeline that you know and grow with this team and when you can be a great goalie.

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see where it goes in the next couple years but we touched on a certain draft pick that you like you just never know he's got the frame for it to maybe be something incredible you never know when a guy is going to pop but right now we don't need to worry about that because we're solid for the next couple years.

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah we are and I also know that you know even though Fitzgerald you know most GM's when they tell you things like this they're full of shit like you know we thought he was the best goalie in the draft you know they always say that with whoever player you know regardless.

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Now it might have been just the guy that fell in your lap and of course you're going to tell him well that's the guy we wanted all the time.

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But like I've heard from a ton of people in this draft that he was the best goalie and so that's something to be optimistic about you know.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You said a couple years down the road and we'll see maybe Nico Dawes is it.

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I doubt it but you know so before we go there is one other thing we need to bring up rest in peace to Vladimir Bure who was our strength conditioning coach or something.

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Papa Burry's father he just passed yeah he was on the devil for a long time during some of these cups.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't want to 70s.

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I just I literally just saw before we popped on.

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Intracle part of the team the players would tell you that too he had a really solid approach.

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was like Olympic swimmer something professional swimmer whatever it was he definitely knew you know what it took to win and how to be in the right condition and he helped the team with success in the 90s and 2000.

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Then yeah he will be missed in the hockey community.

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: All right so we're going to wrap this thing up.

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You know wherever you're listening to us like a five star review download a subscription a positive comment helps a little podcast that could and we will be back with the rest of this series throughout the next few weeks.

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We will definitely be back this weekend all four of us will be back on having some fun talking some shit and hanging out with you guys so we'll see him when we see it.

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for watching.

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It's over Johnny.

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_03]: It's over.