Tom Fitzgerald is about to embark on one of the most important off-seasons in Devils franchise history. How much faith do we have that he can deliver? The Devils lose 2 out 3 on the road and continue to look like they are thinking about Tee Times over playoffs. Keep em or Lose em?
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[00:00:10] Hey everyone, Mr. Della here at Stani Danico.
[00:00:16] Please time, Stanley Chuck Chan, who is the New Jersey Devil's.
[00:00:20] And you're listening to the Uncle Puckers and Jersey Devil's podcast with Chris Dan Bobby and Tony,
[00:00:26] The Uncle Puckers. Let's go, Devils!
[00:00:29] How are you? River Dan's awesome.
[00:00:47] Oh, I know. I know how good you are to see your Michael Flattlet.
[00:00:50] To where my green Devils had exactly once a year.
[00:00:55] And you guys see that now? Yeah, it doesn't match with anything else.
[00:00:59] So didn't help with today's game either?
[00:01:03] Well, you know, there's a lot to not be happy about if you're living in the world of New Jersey Devil fandom.
[00:01:11] It's just, yeah, it's gone from bad to worse and the team right now is a complete and total mess.
[00:01:17] I mean, I tell you though, I'm legitimately done with this jumping on the bandwagon thing.
[00:01:25] You know, I have a game like they did against Dallas and you're just like, alright.
[00:01:30] Now, I mean, because listen, everybody else is leaving the window open.
[00:01:35] So couldn't be more left open? No. I started off today hearing that now the islanders had lost four in a row.
[00:01:42] How many more teams do you need to lose four or five, six in a row? You can't even string together five hundred.
[00:01:47] Well, what did I think they'll fall in the game last night that in the Devils and their last ten, I think it was like four and six or something in their last ten
[00:01:55] And they only lost two points in the same way.
[00:01:58] Like, you know, so that's, you know, there's the thing is yes, there's a, there is a, sorry, just take my hat off.
[00:02:06] There is a path, but it's just not for the doubles. They're just they're not going to, they're there. I don't know what it is about.
[00:02:17] Well, I do know. I mean, it's, it's the makeup of this team. It's who they are. It's, you know, when you come out last year with this high flying running gun style and your playing north and south and teams are saying, holy shit, you know, we can't keep up with this team and you have skill all over the place.
[00:02:35] And then you have a year of teams knowing what you do and figuring out ways to, and when you only generate offense off the rush, that's a problem.
[00:02:44] When you can't get in, you know, you can't get any kind of offensive zone time. We are terrible at fore checking as soon as we dump it in, the puck is right back out.
[00:02:55] So teams know you stand up with the blue line and you stop them from their, their zone entries and you beat the doubles. And, you know, so many guys have just,
[00:03:04] I guess, underperforming or maybe, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it's weird when you see, when you see like in sports, when a team has as much bad luck or not bad luck, but, you know, just many negative things going throughout the course of the season, right?
[00:03:25] The doubles start off this year, they have high expectations, they come out, they play it the first, you know, month or so was okay, you know, they're hanging.
[00:03:33] And then scoring that's for sure. Then the injury started piling up, at least the power play was really good.
[00:03:39] So then the injury started piling up, but you knew there were deficiencies.
[00:03:43] And we, yeah, because we knew we said they're not going to sustain this level of output. So everything else has to eventually come around.
[00:03:49] And you thought you had the time to do that with the way they were scoring, let's figure out the rest of the game as a season goes on because they're not going to score at that clip and then everything would start to fall in line.
[00:03:59] Yeah.
[00:04:01] And the injury is pile up, the Michael McCloud situation that weighs on this team, having, you know, when you're playing in front of bad gold tenders for the entire season that weighs on your team.
[00:04:14] So now, I mean, look at tonight. Like we actually just had a glorious, awkward, a glorious gold tending display by Jake Allen tonight against Vegas and you gave him one goal and support.
[00:04:24] Like when, just, you know what it feels like this, this team is just like a beaten dog. Like it's just been all year negative negative negative negative that I don't know if they know how to turn that to just say,
[00:04:37] It's us against the world screw it, but in essence to do that to make that run to kind of just put everything behind you and just put your head down and play hockey.
[00:04:48] And do let's say what the Panthers did last year, you have to be a good team.
[00:04:53] Yeah.
[00:04:54] And I think right now, I don't know how good we really are.
[00:04:59] I think our bottom six is a bit of a mess. Hey Tony, what's up, buddy?
[00:05:04] Oh, so guys, telling hop off and come back on. I got an echo.
[00:05:08] So missy something, tell me if you still have it.
[00:05:11] So yeah, here.
[00:05:14] There's a lot of snow over the fucking heckle.
[00:05:16] So it's like just to me, the bottom six is a big problem with this team.
[00:05:20] Like there's no complimentary scoring.
[00:05:23] And it's not so much that I dislike a lot of these guys.
[00:05:26] Oh, God. Yeah, you gotta do something with that tone.
[00:05:28] We're live together.
[00:05:30] Yeah.
[00:05:31] You know, it's not that I don't like these guys.
[00:05:34] I do. There are a few guys that I think, you know, we should talk about whether or not we think they should really be on this team.
[00:05:41] But it's obvious what this team is missing.
[00:05:44] Yeah.
[00:05:45] Listen, I knew this was going to be a tough one for us to discuss.
[00:05:48] How do we continue to do this with this team where we saw what they can do to Dallas?
[00:05:54] What they gave up in Arizona.
[00:05:57] And then for the most part, I kind of hang with them play off type of field game.
[00:06:01] Although we weren't the better team.
[00:06:03] We were hanging.
[00:06:05] We were staying there.
[00:06:06] Things were looking good.
[00:06:08] And now we have to again come and talk about this.
[00:06:12] But you know, for starters, the helmets.
[00:06:17] We can't lose the team with those helmets.
[00:06:19] That's just got awful.
[00:06:20] I don't understand that.
[00:06:23] It's just brutal.
[00:06:24] Brutal.
[00:06:25] Look at those.
[00:06:26] To your point about the goal-tending, I just want to bring that up before we talk about maybe problems on a team.
[00:06:32] That felt so good watching Jake Allen.
[00:06:35] There was a sequence right after our goal was taken back for the double review.
[00:06:41] Right?
[00:06:42] Wasn't kicked in but it was goal tender and a friend.
[00:06:44] Another kind of slap in the face of Dallas.
[00:06:46] How they going to recover?
[00:06:47] We were texting about that.
[00:06:48] I'm like, take a fall fly in her face now because another bad thing happened.
[00:06:51] And there was Jake Allen.
[00:06:52] And there's a sequence right after that.
[00:06:54] There's two maybe three bang bang shots on them that he stopped.
[00:06:58] Clear that out.
[00:06:59] They come back.
[00:07:00] They get another two and then while we're on the power play, he comes and he stops.
[00:07:03] That's your hand to goal.
[00:07:05] Yeah.
[00:07:06] And then you fast forward.
[00:07:07] I think it was somewhere in the third period when the game was still reached one of the broadcasters.
[00:07:11] I mentioned Vegas is being the better team but they haven't solved Allen enough.
[00:07:18] And I was like, when was the last time we heard that?
[00:07:21] And that's all we were ever talking about.
[00:07:23] Would hell a buck have been great in having an absolute top three in the league?
[00:07:26] Sure.
[00:07:27] But would any goal tender who could put up one or two of these nights had made a difference all year?
[00:07:33] Hell yeah.
[00:07:34] It was there tonight.
[00:07:35] This game could have been way out of hand.
[00:07:37] Oh, Allen played at the ball.
[00:07:39] Any one of our other three goal tenders in tonight.
[00:07:41] I'll say four goal tenders because Coppococo, a cock and it hasn't shown much.
[00:07:45] I think that's the attitude was four.
[00:07:46] We lose tonight by three or four goals.
[00:07:48] Yeah.
[00:07:49] It's just, you know, when you play all year worrying about your goal tender, worrying about
[00:07:55] Oh shit, I find make a mistake.
[00:07:57] It's going to end up in the back of an end because the guy that I have behind me is struggling this year.
[00:08:02] And the guys I have, there was never somebody to just step in and say enough.
[00:08:08] It ends here.
[00:08:09] It ends with me.
[00:08:10] I'm going to be the guy.
[00:08:11] Don't worry about me.
[00:08:12] You guys play your game and I'll play mine.
[00:08:14] It feels like Drake Allen is that guy and the veteran leadership so far.
[00:08:19] Look, it's two starts but it's two starts that I think we, well today we lost a game.
[00:08:24] But we could have gotten blown out.
[00:08:27] And the other game that he played, what was that win against St. Louis?
[00:08:32] Was that who he played?
[00:08:34] He had two starts.
[00:08:35] I don't remember who he was.
[00:08:36] I thought he actually lost Dallas?
[00:08:38] No.
[00:08:39] Yeah, it was Dallas.
[00:08:40] He was in Dallas.
[00:08:41] Yeah, duh.
[00:08:42] Thanks, Tom.
[00:08:43] Yeah, he was in Dallas.
[00:08:44] It's a play to fantastic.
[00:08:45] Like this is, and you gave him goals to pour and you go but you know there's been this team just doesn't know how to shut the bat off and worry about just playing their type of game.
[00:08:56] But again, we don't know what their game is.
[00:08:59] Like I don't know.
[00:09:00] They have to learn how to do other things better and I just don't know if they have the players to do those things.
[00:09:07] You know, if you can't get in off the rush then you better start forechacking and but we're not big.
[00:09:12] Yeah, we can get there first.
[00:09:14] But then we just get both the top.
[00:09:15] It's no surprise.
[00:09:16] It's something we've talked about all your as presently constructed regards to the fact that there is a ton of talent on the team.
[00:09:22] The team is broken.
[00:09:24] Something is not fitting in.
[00:09:25] I'm sure we'd get to that as we talk about some players later.
[00:09:28] But Tony, let's see.
[00:09:29] Yeah, well, you've been thinking about the last two games.
[00:09:33] You know that feeling you got one that's the preseason and you can't wait till it's over with.
[00:09:37] I feel like this is like the part of the season where I can't wait until it's over with because I was talking to Chris earlier tonight.
[00:09:43] I think I said to him, I just ever since the stadium game after that loss or after the stadium game,
[00:09:48] I just felt like the season just not much hope this year.
[00:09:51] I've done this last couple weeks.
[00:09:53] So I mean, coming on here, I've tried to be positive about the whole thing.
[00:09:56] But really it's just been ever since that I guess was the first loss after the stadium game.
[00:10:00] I felt it before that too but this team just doesn't have it this year.
[00:10:03] I almost, it sounds crazy and people will think, I'm not, but I almost feel like they did over a table a little bit last year.
[00:10:10] It feels like now because some of these guys that we have, I just feel like a lot of the guys maybe they had years last year where I thought maybe that this team was built better than it is.
[00:10:21] And you know, I don't know, just I'm ready for it.
[00:10:25] It doesn't feel like right now when you watch the, I was going back and forth tonight and watching the Islanders and Rangers game and stuff like that.
[00:10:31] And you watch these other teams play like that. I hate to say the Rangers and we're just not for that caliber this year.
[00:10:36] I just won't feel like we can hang and, you know, I mean, like look at last, like the Phoenix games really,
[00:10:42] that was really kicking the balls in their way but where you guys are really surprised.
[00:10:46] I mean, second period, you kind of had that feeling that it was just going to be the same thing we've dealt with for the last few weeks.
[00:10:52] Yeah, not surprised. And again, if you do what you're supposed to do in that game,
[00:10:56] and that's come out with a win. So then you beat Dallas, you beat Phoenix.
[00:11:00] And then you play this game where you were in it with a goal tender keeping in and you fought hard.
[00:11:05] This whole perspective looks different today.
[00:11:07] But we can't keep doing that anymore.
[00:11:10] Like I don't see now the jump that they need to make on these teams.
[00:11:14] You talk in how many games are left?
[00:11:16] 14.
[00:11:17] It's a 14.
[00:11:18] I think it's 15.
[00:11:19] I think it's 15.
[00:11:20] I think it's 15.
[00:11:21] I did as wake up.
[00:11:22] I just remember that we lost about 10 minutes.
[00:11:24] So it's like 68 games.
[00:11:26] They played 68.
[00:11:28] Okay.
[00:11:29] So 10, 12, 14.
[00:11:31] So out of those 14, it's crazy to say, but if you like legitimately,
[00:11:37] you're talking about 12 and 2 over to 11 wins gets your 90 points.
[00:11:42] Yeah, 12 and 2.
[00:11:44] So like 12.
[00:11:45] Even even, you know, 13 in a row, like are you going to do that?
[00:11:49] Like they're not making the play offsets obvious now.
[00:11:52] Yeah.
[00:11:53] But yet the thing that's so frustrating as being a double fan is like,
[00:11:58] every time you took a step back, everyone else did.
[00:12:04] Like the door was wide open all year long, especially post the All Star game.
[00:12:09] And the door has been open and they have not been able to get anything going.
[00:12:13] There's, you know, Tony, I get what you're saying.
[00:12:17] And you know, about maybe these guys overachieved.
[00:12:21] I think there's some of the guys last year that maybe overachieved.
[00:12:25] I think our goal-tending definitely did.
[00:12:29] But they're certain got like, like, you see it in certain sports.
[00:12:33] When a team is just kind of gives up or, you know, just kind of isn't,
[00:12:40] they're not, whatever, whatever, where seeing they're feeling it.
[00:12:44] And you could just tell sometimes the effort is just it not there.
[00:12:48] So like, I think that's more damaging to this team than just maybe guys are just having
[00:12:56] off years.
[00:12:57] Like yeah, I think some of the guys are having off years.
[00:13:00] But I also think some of the guys just don't give a shit.
[00:13:02] And that's bad.
[00:13:03] Like that's really where your problems are.
[00:13:05] Like I'm, I've said it to you guys.
[00:13:08] I, you know, wrote the article about it.
[00:13:10] But I honestly do not want Jesper Bride on this team next season.
[00:13:13] I think when you have so many deficiencies, especially in your top six and what
[00:13:18] you need to do to become a legitimate team and have a really strong top six
[00:13:23] forward group, Jesper Bride's a great trade chip.
[00:13:26] Like he is such a good bargaining chip.
[00:13:28] Teams there are teams out there that would want him.
[00:13:31] I was out on Jesper Bride after the playoff last year.
[00:13:35] I didn't, I was, you know, but okay, I understand what Fitzgerald did.
[00:13:39] Why he signed him.
[00:13:40] But the eight million for eight years, I mean, you're talking to this dude's got a
[00:13:46] 64 million dollar contract and if he plays next year, I could be wrong.
[00:13:49] I know the contract in front of me, but I'm like 90% sure that a no trade clause kicks in
[00:13:53] next year, right?
[00:13:55] I believe it's easier.
[00:13:57] I don't know if that's a completion or if we'd have to trade him this summer,
[00:14:00] but I do know a kicks in whenever that contract kicks in.
[00:14:03] Yeah.
[00:14:04] Which might be at the end.
[00:14:05] I'm not sure if it's just here next.
[00:14:07] Yeah, it would be most likely the start of the league year whenever that is for the end.
[00:14:14] Yeah, because I think I saw some people mentioning that we need to trade him by, you know, in the summer.
[00:14:18] Yeah, I mean, he's let me just check this when does.
[00:14:23] Yeah, sure.
[00:14:25] So this year, it's April.
[00:14:33] Oh, that's when it, no, I want to, oh, God, I'm sorry.
[00:14:37] But anyway, the league year, I don't know when that starts, but that would be when the new contract kicks in.
[00:14:42] You got to do, you got to maybe think or at least entertain the idea of getting a really good power forward
[00:14:51] that can score goals and, you know, I've said Brady could chuck a gazillion times.
[00:14:57] Was it, I don't, trying him away from auto was going to be tough, absolutely.
[00:15:02] But why not offer a Jesper Brad Owl, it's all still picking.
[00:15:06] Give them, make it, I identify this guy whether it's Brady could chuck, whether it's whoever else throughout the league.
[00:15:12] Identify him and then do whatever you have to do to go and get him.
[00:15:16] Like we're sitting on assets, we're sitting on guys down in Utica that aren't going to make this team like just go,
[00:15:23] like I hate the way Tom Fitzgerald general manages.
[00:15:27] And I don't know about you guys, but in any of my other sports I follow whatever, or just in general.
[00:15:33] I don't like a general manager that will make a move or do a contract or trade draft, whatever.
[00:15:42] And then if that's not working out, they basically have the mentality, well, I can't walk away from this because this is my guy or I did this and this is a bad black mark on me.
[00:15:53] I like the general managers that say, we tried it, it didn't work. Let's move on.
[00:15:58] I mean, I go to people talk all the time about like missing on an NFL draft or you know missing on a high quarterback or something.
[00:16:07] And if you're a shitly managed poorly managed team, it could break you.
[00:16:11] But I'll go back to San Francisco, the 49ers right?
[00:16:14] Tony, you probably remembered as a couple of years ago, right?
[00:16:17] They traded, they moved up to number three in the draft. They gave away three first round picks to go get trail lands.
[00:16:23] Trail lands took like a total of maybe 20 snaps for this team all year. Now he's with Dallas, but the point is,
[00:16:30] they had the foresight to say it's not working.
[00:16:35] Let's move on and what they do. They drafted the guy in the seventh round who took them to a super bowl last year.
[00:16:40] It didn't derail their franchise because they were smart enough to just move off of it quickly to just
[00:16:46] try and recoup what we can and move off it. I think Jesper Brad is that mistake.
[00:16:51] I do. I think him being on this team and just be and look, Jesper Brad on another team, I think he could do great.
[00:16:57] Put Jesper Brad on Vegas Golden Knights. I think he's a 40 goal score.
[00:17:01] No, I think you brought that up yet. You're right because as a player he's still a great player.
[00:17:06] Now I've starting from last year when we got Tim O'Mire all through this year,
[00:17:12] especially this year I was barking a lot about how Tim O'Mire was not being used properly.
[00:17:17] Whatever it was, got to be seated on the top two. Whatever it was to make his head straight.
[00:17:21] This is your $9 million player's got to do it. So it started with linear rough last year.
[00:17:26] Continue through this year. Then as is your went on, I'd mentioned several times.
[00:17:30] I don't care about how much talent on this team. It probably needs to be a blockbuster level.
[00:17:36] Yeah, trade. Someone has to go in order for this to start to click.
[00:17:41] And just like we all said last summer when pressed, given the choice between a team of Mire type player and a Jesper Brad.
[00:17:49] Because we assumed we couldn't get both. We wanted a team of Mire type player.
[00:17:53] To me I'm seeing the team where we're supposed to get the whole time because whatever it is in lindy system never worked for him.
[00:18:00] It's working now. He's cooking. He's hidden. He's doing everything. I actually still really like Jesper Brad, but I am tired of not seeing anything happened.
[00:18:10] It did start with the playoffs last year.
[00:18:13] I was willing to give him a very big pass on that. It's not going to happen every year.
[00:18:17] There's we get the playoffs this year. Maybe he destroys around or two.
[00:18:20] But he hasn't done anything this year to prove that.
[00:18:23] We needed these guys. Two goals in the last 20 games.
[00:18:27] And when you put that in perspective, the last 20 games is when the red wings lost to 10 of 14 or whatever.
[00:18:35] And the flyer lost 20 games.
[00:18:37] Yeah, it's a quarter of your season guys.
[00:18:40] Yeah.
[00:18:41] A quarter of he scored two goals.
[00:18:43] So on that pace, he's due to score what, what, what, eight goals.
[00:18:48] You know, I know he's blown that out of what.
[00:18:50] I'm just saying that you can't have an eight million dollar year top six guy giving when you're in a playoff chase,
[00:18:56] giving you two goals in the last 20 games.
[00:19:00] It's something's just not working.
[00:19:03] And you know, I look at, you know, I know Jack Ike was in a class of his own or at least in a lead class that some people can match up to.
[00:19:11] But when you look at his go ahead goal and not talking about the fake out of he sure through the zone.
[00:19:18] I'm talking about that super quick snapshot caught the golly off guard.
[00:19:24] Why can't we do that more like, I don't, I wrote down here.
[00:19:28] I'm like more shots and again, I'm not being the casual fan just saying because I want to see more shots.
[00:19:33] Like literally there's opportunities for them to shoot and shoot with conviction.
[00:19:38] And when they do do that, you see it go in.
[00:19:40] I just don't see it in some of these losses way too much.
[00:19:43] Way too much again, cute all the time getting cute looking for the extra pass, looking for the you know just trying to make something pretty happen like we talked about it throughout the year.
[00:19:54] It's like every every rush is got to be a highlight real no just play the game.
[00:20:00] Alan had him had I go in his sights directly straight line face to face man to man and his wrist shop was just that much quicker.
[00:20:08] I could stop it just be them clean yeah you can do that to most golly's listening if you shoot with that kind of conviction with that kind of sneaky quickness Tony.
[00:20:16] Just for breath.
[00:20:18] You speak of NFL owners and good choices so I don't only have this knowledge being a rare spot but let's try to find a way to say no.
[00:20:26] Yeah, because listen there's too many but too many general managers what in have moved off of trail lands they would have said we're going to start him because we gave so much up for him and we had.
[00:20:37] But sometimes you just make the mistake right you see a beautiful girl at the bar you're like my god disc rolls gorgeous you go up you buy your drink things are working out you start talking or and you realize she's a fucking idiot.
[00:20:49] You walk away you say I gotta go meet my friend my cars run I left the toast wrong and you leave whatever you do right like you get away from it quick like this is what I feel like Tom Fitzgerald all year has just been like but but they're my team they're going to don't figure it out my goal is or look up.
[00:21:06] Great day played last like no dude they're out of the place all year having been in a play out spot all season what makes you think that right now they're going to flip the switch but.
[00:21:16] Yeah, I don't think that this whole season I don't think we have not once if we've been really in a role.
[00:21:24] Where I thought that we were actually looked like a playoff to not it I can even think of one time this year.
[00:21:29] I mean we've had we had two or three I think three game on each week that the most all year yeah.
[00:21:34] I mean there's just never been no no flame on that team you know and I mean the last time I was excited like I said was the stadium series game because there's a little bit of excitement going on and.
[00:21:43] I think with just for Brad I think that he's a guy that you know I don't I don't think don't move on from him I think he'll be here next year, but I think he's also a guy that.
[00:21:51] He has to be just doing his thing and there's needs to be no pressure on him maybe he needs to like just be over there you know produce it because.
[00:22:00] I just feel like once there's any that's the thing is we're talking about Chris about with with Jackie and you know like like with use.
[00:22:08] He hasn't really he's been obviously he's been missing lately too, you know I think weren't when he gets wild up or gets hit or gets starts half in the being involved or becomes not just about his offensiveness he has to be involved as like fighting on the ice or getting angry.
[00:22:22] It's rose off the whole team I think just for Brad's like that too.
[00:22:25] I mean here's the thing though.
[00:22:27] Like you said, uh you don't think that they'll move off of him.
[00:22:31] I honestly think that Tom Fitzgerald has to really do a long hard look at whether or not he's on this team because we just said it that no trade clause kicks in your married to the guy unless you get him to agree to a trade and all the other bullshit.
[00:22:47] I hate no trade clauses.
[00:22:49] I don't think management should ever give a player no trade clause.
[00:22:52] I'm for a player trying to get as much money as possible and absolutely but I am not for no trade clause.
[00:22:57] It's if you are in a position to make your club better and your handcuff because some asshole car cousins won't let you trade him.
[00:23:05] You know what I mean then that I hate that so the fact that they even gave them no trade clause to me is fucked up.
[00:23:12] I didn't feel necessary to be honest with the contract they gave them.
[00:23:15] I felt like that was a little over the top.
[00:23:18] Right.
[00:23:19] And you know Tony, I think I mentioned it last show.
[00:23:22] I grew everything he said but you know last show I mentioned that the difference with me and Jasper Brad.
[00:23:27] He's been put exactly where he needs to be put to excel all year.
[00:23:32] He's given every opportunity.
[00:23:34] Listen you take that contract.
[00:23:36] I don't want to hear about headspace.
[00:23:39] Just you know what is your goal or two?
[00:23:41] Yeah that's just it.
[00:23:42] That's just the business they're in.
[00:23:44] So again for me personally it's nothing against the dude I just think like Chris said.
[00:23:48] A lot of other teams would definitely see the value in that a lot of the team just going to look straight up at his points and be like that could be good enough.
[00:23:54] I think he's got more to give I think when he learns maybe what to do more he should like you say get 40 goals.
[00:24:00] But it just may be that we have to get rid of him to get better.
[00:24:04] That's what I'm going to do.
[00:24:06] Yeah I know we're getting like you mean again I thought Chris earlier it's like we kind of talked about some of this stuff off the record and it's like
[00:24:12] We're not that yes we're young but we aren't the guys are starting to get there you start to get the you know 23 24 year old's going on.
[00:24:19] But we're not that you know yeah exactly.
[00:24:21] You can't really you can use that as an excuse for a D or D core but you really can't use that as an excuse exactly.
[00:24:27] Especially after what happened last year.
[00:24:29] One thing that I get with watching this team is like you know I think we need we need to add like three more pieces that are actually a little bit and I don't mean older but.
[00:24:37] There's just certain guys have taken that would you watch other teams who have that leadership role or have a bigger part of a leadership role on that team I feel like we have none of that.
[00:24:45] We have a bunch of a bunch of empty spaces in that category so if we.
[00:24:49] You bring in like you know it's time to move on from somebody's quote young guys that have never really.
[00:24:54] Where you could pack a jump up like you could put a hold or you know I don't want to see Mercer go I'm just going to mention his name as a guy that people would be interested in during the off season.
[00:25:02] And maybe bring in some of these guys who are actually a little more proven we I feel like when I look at our roster.
[00:25:07] You know we have a lot of hope we've had a lot of hope for the last years but we haven't had a consistent proven and that's all we're having a good core we have a really good core.
[00:25:16] We'll do I want to play a little game because of what you just said tone about bringing some people in or whoever and we're not going to go and pop people into this line up right now.
[00:25:26] But real quick I do our little shout out here to the draft kings and then I want to play a little game but first.
[00:25:34] Dawson Mercer you brought them up.
[00:25:37] I like Dawson Mercer a lot I like what he brings I like his style game and him I genuinely believe it's just having an off year.
[00:25:45] This dagger is coming back around this year you could tell although it's a little too late of course and it looks like Travis screens giving them some more responsibility which he seems to be.
[00:25:54] You know, excelling and you know he's not shrinking with that responsibility and.
[00:26:00] So maybe you do with him this year like you did with Brad you give him that bridge earn it year you know and say okay next year we'll sit down and especially if you were to trade brat and then you can you know you kind of say look there's that's what you could get from us.
[00:26:14] You know in eight million dollar a year he's never going to be worth that at least not in this next contract but I'm just saying and you make them prove it for another year.
[00:26:22] I don't want to see him locking up anybody for eight years anymore now not for a while here let's you know let's slow the role on that but.
[00:26:30] I like Dawson Mercer but again if it brought in somebody like we were talking about I'm fine with moving I'm fine with me the core of the forward group is jack used Nico he's your team on wire it ends there will make that's what that's my core yeah that's it.
[00:26:49] I'm like we've mentioned before I can trade almost anybody else but I'm not trading.
[00:26:55] multiples of all those people of course it wouldn't be mercer and you know Brad or whatever have to be as the domino's fall by grew there and then on defense I think it's for me it's our two young guys and Dougie.
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[00:28:09] I'm going to say.
[00:28:31] Just yes or no like you want them back next year or you don't care okay, so either yes or
[00:28:38] So there's no it depends on what happens. It's just okay
[00:28:42] Just for fun we do a little more in depth over the summer
[00:28:44] Yeah, we're gonna fix this team over to summer
[00:28:47] No, the plenty plenty of time during your off season and a big off season extra extra time
[00:28:52] Jake Allen
[00:28:56] Keep go first
[00:28:58] Bobby me yes
[00:29:00] Yes, all right as the backup though yes, yes Kevin ball
[00:29:10] Tony right yeah, he's thinking yeah one more year give but I say yeah
[00:29:15] See what's up. Yes, yes, yes, desperate breath
[00:29:20] I'm gonna say yes. I'm top early around this room right now. Yes
[00:29:24] Okay again. I know this game we're playing the game we're playing is making this team better for next year
[00:29:29] So I'll must say no, okay. He's gotta go
[00:29:31] Nico does no no no
[00:29:37] Nick de Simone love the name yeah, he does have a cool name
[00:29:45] And he should play in Jersey right guy name de de Simone should be playing in New Jersey
[00:29:49] We we can't have undecided to we have to go yes or no you know what? I was I would for a guy like Nick de Simone
[00:29:55] We've only seen them play three games
[00:29:56] We'll go with the undecided because I think that's exactly where I would line two
[00:30:01] Otherwise I would say yes, but I'll take the undecided since it's an option. All right otherwise it's just no one foot
[00:30:08] I guess that's probably we can't even like use him right like it doesn't matter yeah
[00:30:13] Well, not we'll leave him off. We can why would you want to did you want? Definitely. Yes. I think he's gonna be a podcast team for free years
[00:30:21] I'm a yes too in order
[00:30:23] And especially
[00:30:25] I think things that we need in the year yeah, and we were talking in last year about him
[00:30:31] Getting making a team over a halt. Yeah, because of what he brings for sure right and he's not in the lineup
[00:30:36] He should maybe get a chance here it didn't a couple weeks
[00:30:40] Centering at Taka town
[00:30:43] Another undecided for me
[00:30:45] Just because he hasn't played I haven't seen him play enough. That's why if he's been you know more than two weeks
[00:30:49] I would have a little bit more you know
[00:30:50] But yeah couple of these guys we can do it just out because they're kind of friends
[00:30:53] They're not really playing so yeah, I would do the same but I don't want to let him go put it that way. No, I like them
[00:30:57] I'd be of I'd be totally fine with him on the team next year. Eric Holla could have said no
[00:31:07] Yes, I'm a no
[00:31:11] Why though Bob just curious what are you like about that girl? I just still like that element of his game that he can bring
[00:31:18] Again, I think it's kind of like what is he done
[00:31:21] He's not even he's still a pretty steady veteran presence just put him down on a steady fourth line
[00:31:27] Like I think we need to revamp the whole bottom six so I think there's a place for him there
[00:31:32] We have a under contract next year. Don't we he signed it two year deal last all that until
[00:31:37] 2006 yeah, until 26 okay, so we have him for two more seasons
[00:31:41] Yeah, you know whether or not so he's gonna be here
[00:31:45] Whether or not I think he's a good there if you would find guy
[00:31:48] Preferably fourth all right. I think I could be able to be persuaded for when he's going up to the you know first line wing
[00:31:54] You know when Jack's heard stuff that's just stupid
[00:31:56] I don't even know everyone's a while you're catch lighting in a bottle doing something like that, but you can't do it that often
[00:32:01] This guy I know is definitely out nobody wants a meco hisha
[00:32:06] Love meco. Yes, keep it
[00:32:07] Yes
[00:32:09] And and clone about six more of him. It would be nice
[00:32:13] Alex Holt
[00:32:15] Well just so we can plug them in when the other one's getting injured. That's all that's the main reason
[00:32:20] I'm gonna say no
[00:32:21] I think to improve certain certain areas where he's gonna have to go to be part of a deal
[00:32:25] So I would say no and now I'm just I'm gonna say yes
[00:32:28] I see this I see room on the roster form with the other moves gotta go now
[00:32:32] It's all too are a valuable trade
[00:32:36] Right now
[00:32:38] He's a valuable trade chip. Why do we keep on around for Jack use?
[00:32:42] We're gonna skip a next game Jack and Luke are definitely coming back couple hot
[00:32:51] No, I think he's gone anyway after this. Yeah, I did too. Yeah
[00:32:54] I did speak about the other shows about how I think like pal for Pony could be just as good or better in Jake Allen
[00:33:00] Not the last game not the standing, but not really given what's happening. Yeah, given what's happening now. He's got
[00:33:06] Like the hox looking
[00:33:08] The hox gotta go
[00:33:11] I want to know this guy's contract. What kind of term do we have Curtis Luzar under?
[00:33:16] Curtis Luzar is you have faith in 2025
[00:33:20] So I'm gonna win now or you are hit Jesus
[00:33:22] That's enough fucking no brainer. I'm gonna say yes because he bought some of the only balls we got right now
[00:33:28] Yes, but I also want him centering the fourth line
[00:33:32] Or he's down there. Yeah. Yeah. I like them though. I love it guys. What's this guy's contract? Curtis McDermott
[00:33:40] What is your face here? One of those guys that you know we haven't seen enough so we can easily throw him any undecided category
[00:33:46] But I'm decided. I think you need to sign him
[00:33:49] He needs to be on this roster. It doesn't need to play every night, but he needs to be on the roster
[00:33:54] Yeah, I team that had love we had a little bit more in those areas
[00:33:57] I would have be a little more thinking about it
[00:34:00] But I mean really on this team anything that has to do is sticking up for anybody or having some kind of muscle
[00:34:05] I'm taking them right now don't you think Tony though if we had Curtis McDermott from the beginning is this year that some of those games
[00:34:11] We got pushed around and got out of hand. They could have gone the other way
[00:34:15] We are no I said it say it all the time
[00:34:18] We are though you see us coming down the alley. We're like, you know
[00:34:22] We're like the kid in the hallway at high school that you know the people can throw against the locker
[00:34:25] I hate you know, it's just it's rough. I made and so of course that guy would have I mean
[00:34:29] I felt like every game this year when we faced any team that had a guy
[00:34:32] We talked about it. We won't they played like Florida or Ottawa like what's gonna happen to us tonight?
[00:34:37] Like who's gonna take a shot of us? So I think it got like my Dermit kind of prevents that through alcohol season
[00:34:42] Bobby, where are you on Curtis? I think that we were getting far away from the game
[00:34:46] We're strained from our yes news and we're starting to explain every one of them
[00:34:49] What wasn't really the nature of this was not now?
[00:34:52] I'm just waking up now finally
[00:34:53] I'm just I'm gonna be a big fan of revamping like the entire bottom six
[00:34:59] I don't know where exactly. I don't know that we need him
[00:35:03] We need to play or like him. What kind of money is again? He's just under a million
[00:35:07] but for for for also
[00:35:10] Yes, okay
[00:35:12] Now what's John marino's term?
[00:35:15] John E. Marino you have faith in
[00:35:18] 207
[00:35:19] 4.4 million three more years at 4.4 million he's got a nice contract he's got a lot of term
[00:35:26] Chances are he's not going anywhere, but we're not playing that game Tony. John marino
[00:35:31] Yeah, I'm gonna yes, I'm gonna say yes
[00:35:37] I'd like to think that maybe he's having a down year this year for whatever reason
[00:35:43] So for that I'll say I give him another year
[00:35:48] Let's see if he can turn it around but if he has another year like he did the next year like he did this year
[00:35:53] Then I think possibly he got to think about moving in John marino. I can already tell I'm not cutting enough people
[00:35:58] Which is why we usually do this over up
[00:36:01] You know full kind of series that makes sense
[00:36:03] What you know that now we're getting to some guys that are gonna be tough cuts if you decide to go that way
[00:36:10] Team on my air of course we'll skip him everybody knows he's not going anywhere
[00:36:15] Dawson Mercer
[00:36:20] I'm gonna say yes, just because I
[00:36:22] Do like Mercer like I said you know like as we talked about earlier. Just matters what if if some of these guys
[00:36:28] Don't return it just matters why they're not returning if there's something what's coming back and all that
[00:36:33] All the details is kind of like a big decision with these kind of guys when you mention someone like Mercer
[00:36:37] I'll just say yes
[00:36:39] All right, my mercer is an RFA this year, right?
[00:36:42] Yes, so what is it cost to qualify them?
[00:36:45] Well he's eight eight hundred ninety four thousand now so I'm not sure how that works
[00:36:50] It's probably gonna be like a little over a million the qualify them. I think you qualify them and you get him back here on a cheap one-year deal
[00:36:59] And you just you know make a mernet next year, but I know we're not supposed to do this
[00:37:04] But I will say one more thing if
[00:37:07] Tom Fitzgerald didn't have the balls to move on from Jasper Brett and Dawson Mercer was the chip to get a guy that we need like Brady could chuck
[00:37:16] Then yeah, Dawson Mercer would have to go
[00:37:19] Yes, it's all relative to what you the options are but yeah, and I think we're gonna be able to finish this game without explaining a little bit because that's
[00:37:27] Some of these guys because we don't we don't
[00:37:30] I hope this year so it comes down to explanation and I know I keep saying a guy like Brady could chuck let me clarify
[00:37:36] I want Brady Brady Chuck
[00:37:38] Very obvious. I think Tom Fitzgerald when he uses the term big game hunting to talk about what his summer is going to be like
[00:37:45] Looking for a boltender. No, I think big game hunting is
[00:37:49] Doesn't matter what you have to do just you got to get Brady could chuck on this team
[00:37:53] You know just watching him play and I just every time I watch Ottawa, and I see this dude play and he plays with Tim Stitzla
[00:38:00] And Stitzla is like nowhere near where Jack uses
[00:38:04] Could you imagine those two playing together? I just see
[00:38:08] You know
[00:38:09] Align that can be the best line in the NHL
[00:38:13] And you say tone
[00:38:14] Jack used right gets pushed around a little bit or the team starts feeling that
[00:38:18] He starts falling apart a little bit right. Yes, that has to do with a lot of his you know just being young
[00:38:24] But a lot of it is meant don't make the what it but what needs what would you do? What would he do?
[00:38:29] How would he respond having a guy like Brady could chuck next to him right?
[00:38:33] He would he would be I'm not I mean
[00:38:36] Love he's not Wayne Gretzky I get it
[00:38:38] But if anybody thinks Wayne Gretzky puts up all the numbers that he did and has the career he did if he didn't play next to guys
[00:38:44] Like Marty mixorly and Rintaka and these dudes that protected him all those years
[00:38:51] It was a it's a big part of it and it still is still a big part of the game. Yeah, yeah
[00:38:57] Simone Nemwich
[00:38:59] Yes, yes, yes
[00:39:04] The next three the next four actually the next five are gonna be tough
[00:39:09] Simone Nemwich
[00:39:13] We just did him. Yes, yeah, Simone. I'm sorry. I almost did it again
[00:39:16] Yes, that's no sick. That's what I was like wait, Simone Nemwich is in hard. What am I talking about?
[00:39:22] Thomas no sick say no no yes
[00:39:29] Okay, I like Thomas no sick. I feel like if he was healthy this year
[00:39:35] All year I think he'd be much more productive. I think he came in in a really bad time and it when you're struggling team
[00:39:42] And you're dealing with a lot of injuries as soon as that injured player no matter who they are even their fourth line centers
[00:39:48] They feel like they have to get in here and contribute and help the team right away
[00:39:51] And we all know that usually never works. I feel like he might be in that category
[00:39:56] I think a full year healthy with this team he can be pretty good on that fourth line
[00:40:01] No, you'll see those are centering it. Well, yeah, I didn't get to see no sick enough
[00:40:04] But I have already built my fourth line in my mind so yeah, right? Yeah, I'm right pull out
[00:40:09] Yes, no, I want I think we can get a similar role for maybe two million less
[00:40:15] Thank you for getting trained. It's contract. Um, well what's it got left
[00:40:19] Two twenty ohs twenty seven six million two twenty seven? No, but that's not the question right question right now
[00:40:24] If I think I can move them to make the team better and I do
[00:40:28] I think I would love to grab him he's a great player. I agree with you
[00:40:31] I love Andre Palot, but I just haven't seen it this year or last
[00:40:36] You know in the playoffs yes, he's great, but if you're not if this team
[00:40:40] You know, I just feel like where he just hasn't been able to stay healthy all year
[00:40:44] He hasn't been able to kind of do the things that he should be doing. I feel like he's maybe had a handful of games
[00:40:50] When he doesn't really know it's really noticeable. Yes, but like it's just not enough
[00:40:55] I think he might be cooked as a player so I'd like to maybe move on
[00:41:00] No one is seeking the all or
[00:41:05] No, I'm a no
[00:41:07] I'm a no, I'm a hard no. I do not want this dude. We got enough defense in wings
[00:41:12] Brady's brain brain
[00:41:13] Brady's brain. I don't know yet and by just like we can upgrade. Yes, we can. Brendan Smith. I'm gonna
[00:41:27] Look at us say yes, it's a hard decision though. I'm gonna say yes
[00:41:30] I don't find it hard at all. I'm a no
[00:41:32] It is so
[00:41:34] No, man
[00:41:36] If he's on this team this year next year we're doing something we have talked about how in the right context like I loved
[00:41:42] Like liking him way more than than hating him and as a forward I thought we brought the team was great
[00:41:47] But every time I see him on defense is just
[00:41:50] Rothman and that's where he belongs
[00:41:52] We can't fit him in the forward. He's got to go for me. He's not good. He's just not good man
[00:41:57] Yeah, I'm not a fan
[00:41:59] I again the things he did if he did those those positive things like you know that was his game all the time
[00:42:06] It'd be one of the best players in the league but he can't put it to you know
[00:42:10] It's he's just way too inconsistent. I don't like them. He's got to go
[00:42:15] Chris tyranny tone
[00:42:17] Definitely consistent. Yeah, tone. Are you one of the lay? I feel like he's not hearing me
[00:42:24] I'm here and you guys but for some reason I'm here and you guys really
[00:42:28] It's kind of broken up a little bit really
[00:42:31] Yeah, so I'm trying to make sure I hear you guys correctly
[00:42:34] But um
[00:42:35] tyranny I'm gonna say
[00:42:38] I'm gonna say no
[00:42:42] I mean I'm a no because
[00:42:46] Easy to replace
[00:42:48] Not just that. I just you know seven fifty thousand dollar player who hasn't shown me anything in particular
[00:42:53] I think that could be filled by a lot of players. I see I think he does bring something
[00:42:58] The well maybe
[00:42:59] Maybe I'm just jaded because he's one of the few players that does not make mistakes
[00:43:04] Maybe I'm just
[00:43:05] Seeing him and I'm just like he's solid and he's good. Maybe you're right maybe they are at least players are a diamond does it
[00:43:10] That's another great way to look at it though, dude, but he just doesn't make mistakes
[00:43:14] And the rest of the team does so I feel like he's that nice cornerstone every time he's out there
[00:43:19] Every time I see number 11 on the ice
[00:43:20] I kind of feel like all right this is at least be a positive shift
[00:43:25] Yeah again nothing against the player. I'm just trying to figure out how am I
[00:43:28] Coeton quote blowing up at this team if I don't actually make some cuts of
[00:43:35] Max Wilman
[00:43:41] Max Wilman. Yeah, yeah, Tony's got a hop off and hop back on
[00:43:47] I guess not enough sample size for me to be worried if he goes so I would say no
[00:43:54] Yeah
[00:43:56] I'm fine with him being down in Newtica. I don't think he needs to be up here. Sorry like
[00:44:02] Tony's face frozen
[00:44:03] He's how mega he just looks like got all four scared or something. I don't know
[00:44:09] You know the camera will never ever freeze is when you don't look like a complete fucking moron
[00:44:14] We'll make sure wonder if you just look like a complete moron all the time all the time. Oh, oh two Anderson's
[00:44:19] This guy oh boy
[00:44:21] Okay
[00:44:24] All right, let's see one
[00:44:26] But you guys do sound good now. Sorry about that for the last ten minutes. I hear echo is it like no, you're good now
[00:44:31] You even sound a little bit better. You may have this in visual you should have seen your face
[00:44:34] In frozen faces. It's a miracle
[00:44:38] There was no cognate, but should have been
[00:44:40] Tyler was her spoon. I don't even remember this guy
[00:44:44] No, no
[00:44:49] I think that's everybody that is actually still on the team right now
[00:44:53] I mean they have Shane Bowers in Graham Park and Brian Hollinon, but these guys are all age
[00:44:59] What's the deal with Shane is Casey is he like coming into the the theme next year?
[00:45:06] What's his story anybody know? I think that's gonna depend a lot about the summer
[00:45:11] Well, he's not going on his Donald college right
[00:45:15] So ready in
[00:45:17] He's not already in you to cut is he in your to cut Tom? Yeah
[00:45:21] I think we'll see. I mean
[00:45:23] I think it all is gonna matter. I mean I definitely gonna think we're gonna see him up in the
[00:45:26] I don't know what's playing tells you shit. Was he not
[00:45:31] I thought he's been used all year
[00:45:33] I might have mixed up with somebody else Tony Tony is our minor league guy, but Shane is Casey being in her list
[00:45:41] Literally
[00:45:42] In fact your time is up
[00:45:44] Can you sign off again
[00:45:47] Being that what the hell were you talking about?
[00:45:49] James Casey like you know he does have a ton of hype around them
[00:45:53] You know yeah, and he's supposed to be but like are we really gonna maybe be bringing in or rookie another rookie
[00:45:59] Defenseman next year really depends on how you know Luke and
[00:46:02] Nemic progress next year. He certainly isn't gonna start with the team. I couldn't imagine that that would be insane
[00:46:08] Yeah, I can see him getting some time for sure
[00:46:10] What do you know about James Casey Tony?
[00:46:13] University of Michigan there you go
[00:46:16] See here I'm looking at his stats this year. I'm trying to pull those up
[00:46:22] See
[00:46:23] He already office in the background
[00:46:26] Exactly, no I had to music and you're just like doing as funny the theme songs on the other room
[00:46:31] Is that I just heard it?
[00:46:33] Anyway, how about some technical difficulties?
[00:46:35] Where are you gonna skip that part of James Casey?
[00:46:37] But yeah, there's no I know was Michigan last year but I don't know
[00:46:42] I just you know there's we have so much
[00:46:47] Talent down there that can be moved that teams would go for and I hear so many people like you can't trade this guy
[00:46:52] Can't trade that guy like if you have a plethora where you if you feel like the defensive core is pretty much set for the next
[00:46:59] Ex amount of years and you want it really attempt to try and go and it's standing like up run
[00:47:03] Sometimes you I mean, not sometimes most of the time you have to like deplete the coffers
[00:47:09] You have to go out and
[00:47:11] I'm not saying buy a championship but I'm saying fill the gaps stop looking to you know
[00:47:16] Well this guy will be ready in a year or two this guy will be ready no you want to win now get rid of them yet
[00:47:22] That's exactly why you stockpiled and you build and then you take the cream of the crop and those are ones that make your team and
[00:47:28] The other ones they have to be assets for something like that and then you become a Stanley Cup contender once a Stanley Cup a true Stanley Cup contender not like a blip
[00:47:36] You're usually in the talks for at least, you know a three four year stretch
[00:47:40] Absolutely right and you don't mean you're gonna win them of course
[00:47:43] But you're in the talks and then that's where you're riding your core and that's where you
[00:47:48] At the end of that then you have to start getting creative because guys get their second big contracts and then ultimately you get to the place for like a Tampa Bay was
[00:47:56] With such success all right we got a little plot go
[00:47:59] So we can't afford them even though we want them and then what happens is the next up-and-coming team overpays for that person
[00:48:05] It's their right. That's what they do to get their team started on the champion
[00:48:09] And you start building up again, and then you do the same thing then eventually you're good for too long and you gotta recent
[00:48:14] You can't be good for forever. We thought we could we had a bad decade
[00:48:18] Detroit was even better than us with their success they had a bad decade it happens pitchburg almost moved
[00:48:24] Chicago wasn't on TV like these things happened yeah, and then you turn it around and then you get three Stanley cups in the period of you know
[00:48:30] Six seven years and then they start to fade off again
[00:48:33] There has to be a because it used to see some owners and some sports that are just fine with being content
[00:48:40] I'm talking owners that are just want to be a really good team
[00:48:44] You know championship would be great everyone's in a while, but we're not gonna really invest all in
[00:48:49] We're good. We're happy being you know and those teams will never win
[00:48:53] Stanley cups or NFL championship and stuff
[00:48:56] But it's the teams that take the risk and I just feel like Tom Fitzgerald is very way too cautious
[00:49:03] That you know, and I don't think he'll trade just for practice summer
[00:49:06] I don't think he'll make any huge moves this summer
[00:49:09] I honestly think he's stubborn and believes that this team
[00:49:15] And this team as constructed can turn it all around
[00:49:18] Well, let me say something on that
[00:49:21] I also don't believe that we have to get rid of just regret just for me. It's always been that blockbuster theory
[00:49:29] I also believe
[00:49:31] With the right coach and I do not know who that is
[00:49:34] We can get the most out of all these players in their respective roles
[00:49:39] Okay, have okay can have a mire and a brat and he's and he's your all working together
[00:49:44] We're still a little bit small in some of those
[00:49:47] But I don't know who that is, but I you know extra talent shouldn't be a problem
[00:49:51] Now we have these like Chris mentioned we have these trapejas. I were talking about
[00:49:55] I didn't actually get to find the up, you know we talk about guys like Casey
[00:49:59] You know, I think that I was you know, I think with him I think he was college Chris
[00:50:02] I think that Chase Stillman is the one I always get these two mixed up is
[00:50:06] Yeah, so I think he was a Michigan university a Michigan, but you know, I mean
[00:50:11] I just don't we've said this a few times this season
[00:50:14] We have guys like the Graham Clarks for these names that we can probably get some guys for I just on the way
[00:50:18] We don't flip some of these because I don't really see a future plan for them with the doubles
[00:50:22] I mean I think if you would have
[00:50:25] What a senior you know already if there was that much plan for these guys you might why would you not bring a Clark up on where to lose in all these games and you're just
[00:50:32] Trying to shit in the bed every night because it's like a why not think what what you're gonna lose on most and we've hit that territory
[00:50:37] Probably about two months ago like what are you gonna lose by trying to bring some of these other guys up?
[00:50:41] We said that about the goal-tending a few times like why not bring these kids up sometimes because we're not getting what we need at the time
[00:50:47] It's it's gonna come down to the Tom Fitzgerald learn from the biggest mistake that he made this year
[00:50:53] And I believe the biggest mistake that he made this year is just sitting on his laurels and hoping that things were going to get different by doing the exact same thing
[00:51:01] And it didn't work and a bit of an the as and because of that we're not gonna make the playoffs
[00:51:05] And we don't have a goaly and we have to go looking for a head coach this summer where this summer
[00:51:11] Sort of just been about a few things you know tweaking here and there after a really strong playoff run and now this summer is about like a
[00:51:19] Whole bunch of really big things like I think yeah, the whole
[00:51:24] Summary of what needed to be done could have been determined just by our two playoff series
[00:51:28] Yeah, I think there was enough data right
[00:51:31] There you saw how we got by the Rangers wasn't easy and the games we lost we lost horribly and then that same trend
[00:51:37] Continue to Carolina where we got pushed around throwing off like it was very obvious to me
[00:51:43] You build for that situation the regular season will take care of itself
[00:51:46] You know even if means you're not first in the division who cares?
[00:51:49] So what do you want to be do you want to be a mediocre team because that's how he's
[00:51:54] You know
[00:51:55] Building it or you want to go try and win Stanley cups if he didn't learn from that that big mistake
[00:52:01] Okay fixing the problems and making a ballty big move
[00:52:06] You know then then this team's hopeless with him as the general man another thing with all our depth in the
[00:52:10] HL2 and beyond they don't always have to be the trade chip
[00:52:15] They also need to be the depth chart to say hey they really want Mercer
[00:52:19] Can Graham Clark come in and fill that how close are they in the way they play like I don't have all that
[00:52:24] But I'm telling you that shit's all charted on the wall
[00:52:27] Ready to slide that peg over when these things happen because any one of these scenarios can happen
[00:52:31] So it's just another way of saying what we've been saying the whole night like
[00:52:35] All the assets are there your cores in place you have a finite amount of time
[00:52:41] Figure out who you want to be got to get the pieces now because I'd rather have four and five kicks at the can
[00:52:46] With the players and the goalie than saying alright one more year of this and we'll get a goalie in
[00:52:51] 207 and we'll get we'll get the next defensive guy in
[00:52:55] 2020 sex or however you know
[00:52:56] Just gotta get it put the pieces together. You think and have the balls to say this is the team that can win Stanley cup
[00:53:01] And then put on and look if it doesn't put the right pieces together
[00:53:06] It's gonna set this team back a long time and it's gonna hurt you careers like Nico
[00:53:10] He's yours and you know guys that have been weeks seven years and on this team that long and next thing
[00:53:14] You know, you know, you know
[00:53:15] He fucked up and in two years we have another season like this another two seasons like this
[00:53:21] Devils are gonna trade Nico he's sure that was gonna be like this is how bad like this
[00:53:25] How backwards everything went like it seriously like
[00:53:28] Defcon one code red problems with devil's fucking management right now
[00:53:33] It wasn't a fall off. This was this was a jump off the cliff and what I've got me thinking is that when you look at a team like Toronto
[00:53:39] Who's still widely talented makes a playoffs every year at least, you know does well like they can wind up getting nothing out of all this and all that down
[00:53:47] And that's my fear yeah, we could be that good
[00:53:51] Where we're just kind of killing it in the regular season this year notwithstanding of course and then never get to the
[00:53:56] I want the prize. I don't care what it takes
[00:53:59] I have to do a podcast. I'm actually feeling they're actually worse off than I thought they were
[00:54:03] Well things are very optimistic for a few weeks
[00:54:07] One of the big decisions that Tom Fitzgerald's gonna have to make over the summer is a new head coach like you just mentioned Bobby and
[00:54:14] Ryan Owen's to eat that no
[00:54:16] No, no, no, when's he what is it Ryan Nova Nova when's in here
[00:54:20] wrote an article everything potential devils coach candidate Craig Baroubi said about the new jersey devils on the TNT broadcast
[00:54:29] I was yeah, I wanted to listen to him. Oh, and of course
[00:54:32] It's under a fucking paywall son of a bitch. Yeah, yes
[00:54:39] I brought you by
[00:54:41] Exactly
[00:54:42] I read the article though
[00:54:44] We're just he isn't it for next week guys
[00:54:47] Talk for a second you guys on
[00:54:49] So it was a bummer when you get those paywalls and happens all that you like
[00:54:54] So Tony what are we supposed to do let's tell like how are we supposed to
[00:54:58] Gotta keep this go we got to give good fun information to our to our listeners. What are we gonna do if the devil's right of it
[00:55:07] Don't answer that another
[00:55:08] Tiger versus ready
[00:55:12] Tony's like I'll take the summer off with a phone here
[00:55:15] He post
[00:55:17] Like the question asked to Baroubi and then Baroubi's answer so first question on it on if the devil's would have been in a playoffs spot
[00:55:25] Had they acquired Jake Allen earlier and Baroubi said quote, they might be I'm not gonna play GM here
[00:55:31] But he's in a three-man rotation in Montreal. He's not playing a whole lot
[00:55:34] So maybe some teams went away from that after not seeing him enough
[00:55:38] He's a solid goal. He's a great teammate first of all whether he's playing or he's not playing
[00:55:43] He helps the other golly out. He's solid. You see you see here tonight made a bunch of saves in the first period to keep the devils in it
[00:55:50] Okay, so everybody including Craig Baroubi says
[00:55:53] So they got in that least I caught any cost nothing. Yes when everything was falling apart and you knew the marks from deal was dead
[00:56:00] Instead of going out and basically begging Calgary
[00:56:05] No, no, I
[00:56:07] We'll pay the whole salary we'll do whatever you know
[00:56:09] And you could have just moved on and gotten a guy like Jake Allen
[00:56:13] But no you fell in love with this little prize and you had to do everything you can to try and get it and you know
[00:56:19] That was what would have happened last year if he didn't make the Timo my
[00:56:23] Deal we wouldn't have had anybody to take that spot. We wouldn't have had any size on this team because he wouldn't have missed out on that
[00:56:29] But sometimes you have to have a backup plan and Jay's gallon seems to be a pretty good backup plan
[00:56:35] So far on Allen's veteran leadership
[00:56:38] He's a mentor Craig Baroubi says quote he'll mentor young gollies on the other or the or the other golly and help him out
[00:56:44] teammates and things like that
[00:56:46] He's a smart guy. He's a solid golly
[00:56:48] I don't think he's a number one starter anymore
[00:56:50] But he can play a significant amount of games and be a real good backup. It's not really what have you got the lose
[00:56:56] On what he would have said to devils during the second intermission it was zero zero at the time
[00:57:01] He writes I would be firm
[00:57:03] I'm sure Travis will be too to me Vegas took the game over that period
[00:57:07] They had plenty of offensive zone time if it wasn't for Jake Allen they could be down three or four right now in my opinion
[00:57:13] They need to manage to pluck better break it out better
[00:57:16] It creates a more offensive zone time. They're one and done
[00:57:19] They've had some opportunities off the rush
[00:57:22] But that's about it they've got to clean it up a bit and check better and they are because they then they better because Vegas is coming
[00:57:28] Okay, well, that was pretty obvious. That's just something that probably Craig Baroubi who doesn't watch the every single devil game this year
[00:57:34] Like we have what have noticed that that's all this team does
[00:57:37] Terrier one and done when it comes to the offensive zone at least after the first 15 games this year
[00:57:43] Question was what do you would he have shortened the bench during a third period and he writes over sure
[00:57:49] Definitely 100% the guys that are going will play simple is that on what the devil's must do to get their offense going
[00:57:55] Getting in the offensive zone and using your skill and your speed in there and being patient on your shot selection a little bit and your puck play
[00:58:01] Not forcing things take what they give you please J bullshit
[00:58:06] And get to get to the net more right now. They're forcing pucks look Vegas is going to clog the middle of the ice up
[00:58:12] We know that so get it to the point get some shots through slice some pucks from bad angles and find some rebounds and hopefully you get a couple
[00:58:20] I mean, yeah, that's pretty obvious we don't do that on what broke down for the devil's door and jack jack
[00:58:26] Icles go ahead goal Craig Baroubi says you've got to have better sticks in a neutral zone the D has to have better gaps
[00:58:33] Just for brat was on Ikele just stay on them don't let that shock go from the middle of the ice
[00:58:37] I didn't even really think about that right did you know Brett not trying to play in deep and thrilled yeah on that play
[00:58:43] Yeah, I just saw him skate through Pisher and he really is up
[00:58:48] And then he writes it was just too easy for him coming through the neutral zone the D would weigh off
[00:58:52] You need better gaps there. So he's coaching us already guys. So I hope they're paying attention
[00:58:57] On the devil's inexperience he writes very young team. Let's not forget the huge brothers jacks been there a little longer
[00:59:03] But they're young guys and still learning the game
[00:59:05] That much she's a young 19 year old D man in there you're pretty probably didn't expect to play maybe play this year
[00:59:11] He was in the minors and but now with injuries
[00:59:15] He's up here playing little bit of growing pains that have to go along with getting better and getting that out of elite level that you need to be so you can be a
[00:59:21] Contender
[00:59:23] It does kind of sound I mean, I know he's on the TNT broadcast but he's hired
[00:59:28] I mean, I'm just saying like he sounds like he feels like the devils are that up and coming team
[00:59:33] That maybe you know
[00:59:35] They do just need the right guy behind the bench. Maybe crack the ruby. I like them. I don't think most people fans are non-fans wouldn't
[00:59:43] Objectively look at the team say they're not still and up and up team yeah this was just one of those years
[00:59:49] Where they fell back a little bit aggressive a little bit
[00:59:51] It happens it happens some of the best teams and they come around and wins championships, but they still have a lot of work to do
[00:59:57] I got a lot of question mark, Stu man
[00:59:59] I really do like I and I do agree with you Bobby like I don't think it's oh I don't think the
[01:00:05] The promised land is not gonna happen, but I just this whole season is just I have seen nothing
[01:00:11] Like if I really look at the whole season if I wasn't doing like if we were just sitting at a bar right now
[01:00:15] Three of us just talking having to beer. I'm like when this season just soft it's kind of like you know
[01:00:19] Yeah, but what we're saying today when it's baseball season start last year was total opposite
[01:00:23] We didn't even dare when baseball season started you know that's that's the thing that so fucked up about this team is like
[01:00:29] They're not even making it fun like they're not even making it pay your added a play off
[01:00:33] You know, maybe a play spoiler or maybe you go on that last ditch run and missed by a pointer to and always should
[01:00:39] You know
[01:00:39] We can take some good away from this season like they're not even they're not even fucking playing for anything right now
[01:00:46] Yeah, I thought today's game
[01:00:49] If I had watched just today's game and you know nothing else about the devils in their season
[01:00:53] I would say that this is two teams that could like meet up in the finals and again
[01:00:58] They were levels were out played
[01:00:59] But just the way they played and hung with them like it really felt like a playoff game to me
[01:01:03] I don't know there was really no part of that game that devils dominated and that's right
[01:01:07] You know, but you got it like you got to be you got to be able to impose your will like we
[01:01:12] Getting pinned into our zone all the time. We can't get ever get the puck out
[01:01:16] You know, it's just it's so just
[01:01:19] There's nothing even fun about their style like even today's game
[01:01:22] I thought it was a fun game to watch absolutely but like they've given us maybe in the last what 50 games
[01:01:29] They were I'm sorry like maybe 35 games. They've given that twice
[01:01:33] You know this game in the car online. I know I know it's right
[01:01:36] But it's still like it just what's there to be fun about it? They're play like that. This you know against every team
[01:01:42] them, you know, maybe they don't lose all of them, but okay
[01:01:46] And if I remember correctly the kings aren't I mean not the kings like you want to say the kings are the most shiny helmets the night
[01:01:51] You know, I mean
[01:01:53] They're not what what are they? They're a wild car team right now. There's their way
[01:01:57] So I mean we're not playing the king the kings the nights from last year
[01:02:01] You know we're kind of playing the team that you know, and that it doesn't well obviously our season is much longer than that
[01:02:08] But I will say before we wrap it up
[01:02:10] That other than last season all right in the last season the nights when the cup the year before that they missed the playoffs
[01:02:19] Right now they were a perennial playoff team sensor existence and they had a shit little injuries
[01:02:24] Things just kind of went sideways
[01:02:26] You know two years ago. They don't make the playoffs
[01:02:28] They come back few tweaks and they go on and run and they win the Stanley Cup
[01:02:32] So
[01:02:34] And then you can't say they can't do that again either. That's a weird team over there
[01:02:36] Right, but I'm saying you also can't say if the right pieces or that's why this is so
[01:02:41] Nested like so important is offseason because if the right pieces are put in place
[01:02:45] That could be the doubles next season like it's all there
[01:02:49] You know we know that because we've seen it the skill level is still there
[01:02:53] Just got to get the right pieces in there and you got to get the right guy to move those pieces around
[01:02:58] And that how many pieces you think Chris because I mean, I think where's like three big pieces
[01:03:03] I'm not even gonna put out what parts they are
[01:03:05] But I think there's at least three big moves you make during the off season
[01:03:08] I got I can categorize with three and coaching even coaching even I think it'll be something that I forgot though
[01:03:13] 2019 I wasn't counting that so I would say for this four big changes
[01:03:17] I feel like that you have to make on this team to really like be confident going into next next season
[01:03:23] All right the last thing we're gonna do in the show is give your three your three things that you think
[01:03:28] What do we need go ahead Bobby is a three or four what's what we gonna do?
[01:03:32] I can do four too. Don't count coaching that would be four
[01:03:34] I was so busy. I've been three so yeah, I need a stud veteran gamer as a forward
[01:03:40] I need a true
[01:03:42] Stayed home demon and the lights out. Holy yeah, I mean, I know yeah
[01:03:49] That's it. What have we all the right just court what have we been saying since November December
[01:03:54] That this team's needed all three of those things we've been saying it everybody's been saying it and
[01:04:01] Like you didn't go out and do anything to help those pieces when you could have
[01:04:05] I really hope that he knows that they need to be fixed and fixes in this summer because and he's got to fix them with the right pieces
[01:04:12] Especially coaching you can't get the next coach wrong
[01:04:16] We need a bigger personality than we have on the team rest. We need so we need that while we talk about the Brady could shock
[01:04:21] Sort of Matthew could chop we need that one guy we don't have it. I mean, and we shouldn't rely on Jack for it
[01:04:27] Because if I think he needs a concert on this game
[01:04:28] I think we need that one guy at that personality just overrides everything else you know
[01:04:34] I mean, yeah, we need to get some character on this team
[01:04:37] You know, that's huge
[01:04:39] But all right
[01:04:40] I think we're gonna wrap it up tonight so wherever you guys are listening to us
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